A really cool website

[axel1]

I spent a good 6-8 hours at this place:

http://www.oddee.com/item_96598.aspx

Whacky theories

http://www.oddee.com/item_91567.aspx

Goats on trees?

http://www.oddee.com/item_91568.aspx

[Ryu]

There is a special thread for posting random links.

[axel1]

There is a special thread for posting random links.

Oh ok, thank's for the input.

[GameGeeks]

Actualy it's fine here since it's dealing with science.

[axel1]

Actualy it's fine here since it's dealing with science.

That's what I figured :)

[Aravisian]

Are the links open to discussion?

I may have some choice words on goats climbing trees...

[goldenwingedship]

I don't see why not.

Edit: Forgot to mention that this is a cool website. I spent quite a bit of time on it when you first posted the link. Definitely bookmarked.

[deadly_-_dreamerX]

I think the other inhuman will join soon.

[Klendathu]

Those are pretty cool. Nice find. Even though you're banned.

[Aravisian]

Those are pretty cool. Nice find. Even though you're banned.

Whoas...

How'd that happen?

[tatsuya1221]

Whoas...

How'd that happen?

A bunch of insults, given the fact he'd already been warned.

Also, these were personal insults on a user.

[Aravisian]

A bunch of insults, given the fact he'd already been warned.

Also, these were personal insults on a user.

Thanks for answering. I hit recent posts but didn't see anything out of the ordinary.

Perhaps those posts were deleted?
It's best to leave the post, I think, that results in a ban. That way, Mods aren't being asked to explain themselves with the assumption others must just take their word for it.

This is purely a suggestion- but it may be quite helpful to the Moderators. That way, if someones buddy gets suspended or banned, they can see why with their own eyes, rather than attacking the Mod that did the deed.

[GameGeeks]

In the long term though, it's better to just remove the issue. Besides the user should know what they did wrong.

[Aravisian]

In the long term though, it's better to just remove the issue. Besides the user should know what they did wrong.

I won't post more on this. It's all food for thought, that's all. Not an argument.

It sounds like- Long term "Let it just Blow over."

But members have memories.

My suggestions in helpful for both the short term and long term. However, removing the issue and leaving questions and possible bitterness may only help long term- and it may not always do so even long term...

Think on it a bit and maybe you'll agree that the suggestion has some merit. Or maybe you won't. But I wanted to suggest anyway...

[GameGeeks]

Actualy, I was thinking of new members who might stumble on it and comment on something they have no idea about. While you do have a point I still think it's better to remove an issue then to just leave it there to fester like an open sore.

[Iconoclast]

um as a former someone who has business on this thought I'd comment

This is purely a suggestion- but it may be quite helpful to the Moderators. That way, if someones buddy gets suspended or banned, they can see why with their own eyes, rather than attacking the Mod that did the deed.

The ban stops further issues from being created on some individual basis.

One thing I like about your suggestion is that it accepts history can not really be removed in all its effects like the stored feeling from when it was already read.

Only issue would be by not deleting the issue the issue is, still there. :cool: If it's still there because it's tolerated why the ban. If it's not tolerated, deleting it would help.

Some forums have a thread for mod logs, so tatsuya could start a thread with a list of recently banned users with a description on them to look up if they wonder why someone got banned.

[GameGeeks]

We have the first part of your idea of the log, actualy.

[Iconoclast]

nice give a link?

[tatsuya1221]

nice give a link?

It's in the admin forum.

[Iconoclast]

Right so to clarify something Aravisian could see.

As for already having the thread--just in a private forum--thing is people who can see that forum can see deleted posts, the ban list and all the primary source info than anything that can be summarized over there, so it seems kind of redundant I guess.

If other people can see it then cool.

[GameGeeks]

Only tatsuya and Klendathu can see every deleted post. Sections can only see them in their section.

[Iconoclast]

Bingo! So I was addressing tatsuya, since he was online. You're online; you're just not a global mod.
If you want to get specific not all deleted posts can be seen period. :O

Now, most sites don't have a public thread were people can see why someone suddenly got banned. A few places do; others say it's not their business except upon business request.

If people care here though I'd just say it wouldn't harm anything to show a list and keep people happy.

[tatsuya1221]

Bingo! So I was addressing tatsuya, since he was online. You're online; you're just not a global mod.
If you want to get specific not all deleted posts can be seen period. :O

Now, most sites don't have a public thread were people can see why someone suddenly got banned. A few places do; others say it's not their business except upon business request.

If people care here though I'd just say it wouldn't harm anything to show a list and keep people happy.

There are a few reasons this wouldn't work imo.

1:nitpicking would be rampant most likely, and the rules state that only the mods are to be contacted if you have a problem.

2:considering we have to ban adbots fairly frequently, this would become a problem, as well as multi accounts.

3:finally, there are some things that are best left unsaid, attacks on members can easily lead to flame wars.

Basically, it's too much work, to problematic, and going to cause problems, thus its best left alone.

[Iconoclast]

There are a few reasons this wouldn't work imo.

1:nitpicking would be rampant most likely, and the rules state that only the mods are to be contacted if you have a problem.

You don't have to nitpick. I'm not sure if that's presently the level of information you set in the thread at the mods forum, but just a simple idea or phrase on why someone with over twenty posts got banned is enough to cut the number of private messages you could in theory get, to a small few based on people who are surprised in irony to their judgments on the person.

For details, that is when they should contact a moderator. Details don't concern the public; just if you ban someone with over twenty posts who, judging by the remaining posts seeming helpful or fine, a lot of people can get curious right?

2:considering we have to ban adbots fairly frequently, this would become a problem, as well as multi accounts.

Who cares about them?
Who is going to ask you why an account that had one post and now has zero got banned?
Myself, if someone advertised back then, I just deleted the ad.
I was the only global mod to never ban them until a second offense.
cause most of them never logged on again immediately after posting

Over 4/5 of them never logged on again, regardless of if they were banned.
While we're on that topic, I'm not saying that's the Right thing to do; I'm just saying that's my preference. Obviously prevention is better.

If it's that much work, keep in mind no one around here on the public forums really even knows much about the old accounts that were banned since when, so just keep a thread of recently banned honest accounts. Recent as in beginning from, users like this that seemed perfectly fine but suddenly irony happened.

3:finally, there are some things that are best left unsaid, attacks on members can easily lead to flame wars.

Of course. Just like, seeing a member with a lot of posts suddenly labeled as "Banned" can lead to different questioning.

And then they ask you, you say "continued attacks in spite of several/many warnings", then everyone gets into a fight?
If that happens why delay it every single time? Eventually, the number of flame wars over banned users will grow so worthy, you'll make the list then?

That way if you make the list with the honest reasons why they got banned the tension won't build over time as the routine progresses.

[tatsuya1221]

You don't have to nitpick. I'm not sure if that's presently the level of information you set in the thread at the mods forum, but just a simple idea or phrase on why someone with over twenty posts got banned is enough to cut the number of private messages you could in theory get, to a small few based on people who are surprised in irony to their judgments on the person.

For details, that is when they should contact a moderator. Details don't concern the public; just if you ban someone with over twenty posts who, judging by the remaining posts seeming helpful or fine, a lot of people can get curious right?

Depends on the person, axel1's posts were mostly left, as are 75% of the ones that don't go to far into flaming.



Who cares about them?
Who is going to ask you why an account that had one post and now has zero got banned?
Myself, if someone advertised back then, I just deleted the ad.
I was the only global mod to never ban them until a second offense.
cause most of them never logged on again immediately after posting

Over 4/5 of them never logged on again, regardless of if they were banned.
While we're on that topic, I'm not saying that's the Right thing to do; I'm just saying that's my preference. Obviously prevention is better.

If it's that much work, keep in mind no one around here on the public forums really even knows much about the old accounts that were banned since when, so just keep a thread of recently banned honest accounts. Recent as in beginning from, users like this that seemed perfectly fine but suddenly irony happened.

Axel1 was warned twice by GG and twice by me, there is a third strike rule with the mods unless it's extreme.



Of course. Just like, seeing a member with a lot of posts suddenly labeled as "Banned" can lead to different questioning.

And then they ask you, you say "continued attacks in spite of several/many warnings", then everyone gets into a fight?
If that happens why delay it every single time? Eventually, the number of flame wars over banned users will grow so worthy, you'll make the list then?

That way if you make the list with the honest reasons why they got banned the tension won't build over time as the routine progresses.

No it won't, it would only cause problems, it took us a week to even decide on everything, and we're the mods.

[Aravisian]

Some of us Moderate in other places.


Anyway, Let's get back on track.

I can't help but notice that one link left off the most fascinating galaxy of all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:236084main_MilkyWay-full-annotated.jpg

Our own Galaxy is quite large, old AND Unique.
As well as being able to get up close and personal in our study of it, we can study it from within. The only thing we can't see- is the outside of it:p
But we can make a very good guess about it from within.

[Iconoclast]

Over four years ago I was a stressed kid. Now I love the joy of analyzing decisions.
As long as I like my job

Can you explain the process through which maintaining a single post list of 'unexpected' bans causes a fight?

Depends on the person, axel1's posts were mostly left, as are 75% of the ones that don't go to far into flaming.
You bet. If I said otherwise I'd like to know.

Axel1 was warned twice by GG and twice by me, there is a third strike rule with the mods unless it's extreme.
If I thought the ban was unfair I would also think this list idea would not be a correct follow-up.

No it won't, it would only cause problems, it took us a week to even decide on everything, and we're the mods.
One thing that shouldn't be done is post every time a ban, just edit the post/thread.

"No it Won't" as in?

seeing a member with a lot of posts suddenly labeled as "Banned" can lead to different questioning
It just happened in this thread and has happened before.

Eventually, the number of flame wars over banned users will grow so worthy, [you'll make the list then]?
Well person A gets banned but had posts. Since the guy seemed normal, maybe had some appreciation, someone asks you why he got banned. You tell him why, and he's like OMFG tatsuya WTF is wrong with you and flames the whole site and leaves because of it.

K well that was weird, let's try banning this guy for a hopelessly bad and repetitive offense.
Tatsuya da ban hammah!! He flames and quits.

Then you start the thread announcing beforehand?
That way they're not already private messaging you, so, in utter confusion as to what "attacking users in spite of warnings / sudden advertising" means, they reply to the thread with gibberish addressing no one in particular.
They might just die because of it, and everybody wins!

You win cause they don't see "tatsuya1221" unless they scroll back up to the top of the thread, so they don't attack you.
The banned dude wins cause he asked for it. You warned him, so he got what he wanted.
The flamer over whatever letter[s], word[s], or symbol[s] he caught eye of in the post of the thread wins because his last few brain cells pop whilst in the process of interpreting the meaning of life.
The flies swarming around him also win.

[GameGeeks]

If you think this is such a good idea, why didn't you do it when you where a mod before?

[Iconoclast]

I don't know how many people I ever ended up banning. I mostly banned a few advertisers if they posted again.
Come to think of it, outside of that who did I ban. I UN-banned some of (SofaKing's) accounts and did a poll trying to collect about whether another dude's ban was justified. I think I banned if someone like, asked for it.

Back then, no one really cared let alone asked for a public log of user bans. There wasn't a rapid a growth rate in user registration as there is now, and I have no memories of helpful people suddenly being banned here.

Now that there is a greater ratio of general discussion to emulation support than before, I guess that makes more room for users who seemed fine and just chatted but went wrong somewhere. Thus the social community is still much greater, and people can get more curious.

Now to be somewhat critical on your question, I don't frankly think this is such a good idea. If I could at this point, I would start and maintain such a log thread because a few bans have been asked about ever since Val upped the site. Basically, I think this is such a good idea because it is what the members want to see, and since it doesn't do any harm, all the more happiness.

That alone, though, is light-sighted, but if the thread was also open for feedback it would stop some of the spamming in threads like this.

[tatsuya1221]

I don't know how many people I ever ended up banning. I mostly banned a few advertisers if they posted again.
Come to think of it, outside of that who did I ban. I UN-banned some of (SofaKing's) accounts and did a poll trying to collect about whether another dude's ban was justified. I think I banned if someone like, asked for it.

Back then, no one really cared let alone asked for a public log of user bans. There wasn't a rapid a growth rate in user registration as there is now, and I have no memories of helpful people suddenly being banned here.

Now that there is a greater ratio of general discussion to emulation support than before, I guess that makes more room for users who seemed fine and just chatted but went wrong somewhere. Thus the social community is still much greater, and people can get more curious.

Now to be somewhat critical on your question, I don't frankly think this is such a good idea. If I could at this point, I would start and maintain such a log thread because a few bans have been asked about ever since Val upped the site. Basically, I think this is such a good idea because it is what the members want to see, and since it doesn't do any harm, all the more happiness.

That alone, though, is light-sighted, but if the thread was also open for feedback it would stop some of the spamming in threads like this.

While i agree we need to stop posting in this thread since we're spamming unintentionally, the problem still is that we NEVER ban someone without at least 2 warnings in advance, , in stone colds case it was close to 10, the point here is i don't mind answering, but the problem is it can open far more problems up than it helps.

[R.P.D]

every one is talking but no one is saying anything..

[axel1]

we NEVER ban someone without at least 2 warnings in advance,

No one warned me Tastuya. Also, there's a difference between warning someone and implying for someone to be cautious.

[GameGeeks]

We warned you multiple times. I suggest you just drop it.

[axel1]

We warned you multiple times. I suggest you just drop it.

I don't recall any warning. Also I have dropped it just thought I'd add some input in a thread that's been discussing me.

[Aravisian]

We discussed you or we disgust you?

[Ryu]

We discussed you or we disgust you?
What's wrong, there's nothing pretentious on this post?:confused:
Just a bad pun.

[Aravisian]

What's wrong, there's nothing pretentious on this post?:confused:
Just a bad pun.

Exactly.

Wanna fight about it?

[GameGeeks]

I will, but I'm substituting Tyson in.

[R.P.D]

ahh man i cant breath the room is filling with smug from all sides!

[Klendathu]

You know what this thread no longer serves it's purpose. The OP is welcome to start over with a new thread with the original intention.

Closed.