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andyflag
09-18-2009, 11:50 PM
Alright, I Just Became Aware Of A Scientific Study on Matter, Let Me break It Down To You Exactly How It Was Broken Down To me.


If We Randomly Shoot A Small Object, Say A Marble At A Screen, With A Slit In The Middle We See A Pattern on The Back Wall Where They Went Through The Slit, Now If We Add A Second Slit, We Would Expect To See, Two Similar Patterns Such As The First Experiment.

Now Let's Look At Waves. The Waves Would Hit The Slit Radiate Out, Striking The back Wall With The Most Intensity Directly Inline With The Slit. Just Like The Marbles, The Effects Were The Same. But When You Add A Second Slit, Like We Did With The Marbles, Something Different Happens, if The Top Of One Waves, Hits The Bottom Of Another, They Cancel Each other Out, So Now There Is An Interference Pattern On The Back Wall, Places Where The Two Tops Of The Now, Few Waves, Have The Most Intense Pressure Against The Back Wall. So There's Multiple Patterns. Where The Waves Canceled Eachother Out, There Is Nothing. No pressure On The Wall, Nothing. Thats Obvious, I'd Think We'd All Know That Without Doing That Test.

An Electron, Is Believed To be A Tiny Tiny Bit of Matter, Like A Tiny Marble.
They Fired A Stream Through One Slit, And Like Everything Else, The Pattern Is Normal, It Behaves Just Like A Marble, A Single Band Is Created On The Back Wall.
So, If We Shoot Through Two Slits, We Should Get Two Patterns. But Instead Of That, An Interference Pattern Much Like The Waves Occur, Now Remember, Those Are Electrons. Tiny Bits Of Matter Through, We Get A Pattern Like Waves, How? How Could Pieces Of Matter, Create An Interference Pattern Like A Wave? That Doesn't Make Sense. But Physicist Are Clever, They Thought, Maybe Those Balls Are Bouncing Off Each other And Creating That Pattern. So They Decide To Shoot Electrons Through, One At A Time, Instead Of A Stream, There's NO Way They Could Interfere With Each other, But After An Hour Of This, The Same Interference pattern Occurred
The Conclusion Is Inescapable It Seems, The Single Electron Leaves As A Particle , Becomes A Wave Of Potentials, Goes Through Both Slits, And Interferes With Itself. Mathematically It's Even Stranger, It Goes Through Both Slits, And It Doesn't Go Through either. And It Goes Through Just One, Then The Other. All These Possibilities Are In Super Position With Each other.
They Were Completely Baffled by This, So, They Decided To Peek, To See Which Slit, It Actually Goes Through. So They Put A Measuring Device Near The Slits, To See Which One It Went Through. But The Outcome They Were To Get, Was Far More Mysterious Then They Could Of Imagine, When They Observed It, The Electron, Behaved Exactly As Matter Should, And Produced A Pattern Of Two Bands. The Very Act Of Measuring, Or Observing Which Slit It Went Through, Meant It Went Through Only One. Not Both, The Electron Decided To Act Differently, As Though, It Was Aware It Was Being Watched. Which Made Them Ask The Question, What Is Matter? And WHAT Does An Observer Have To Do With Anything? The Observer Collapsed The Wave Function
Simply By Looking.

Kilghard Wolf
09-19-2009, 11:23 PM
When you get down to the sub-atomic levels, you find some things that take on the properties of waves and matter at the same time. Obviously, a lot of research is still being conducted at these levels. We can't even tell you where an electron is at any point in time, just where it was.

SofaKing
09-19-2009, 11:30 PM
Not 100% sure I get all the stuff in the middle, but the point is that the matter acted differently because it was being observed correct?

mind=blown

andyflag
09-20-2009, 03:17 AM
Yeah, It's A Hard Concept To Describe Without Watching A Vivid Description Of It. It's A Mind Boggling Thought, There Are So Many Things We Can't Understand Because We're Taught To Ask The Questions We Have on Life, And If We Ask The Questions We're Taught, We Have A Limited Outcome Of Answers, But If You Erase Those Questions, And Ask Yourself "Whats A Thought?" A New Existence Begins

When We're Not Looking There Are A Number Of Different Potentials Streaming Through An Endless Universe, And When We Observe It, Well, It Jumps Back To Only One Of Those Potentials. However, Let's look At This Way
Now, This Is Just Theory, But Makes Sense To Me
When Columbus Sailed To America's Shores, The Native Americans, Couldn't See The Ships. Their Mind Knew Nothing Of Those Kind Of Mechanics And Wasn't Integrated, Like A Computer, If You Download A Program, Your Computer Can't Run, You'll Have To Update It.
It's Believed A Shaman, Noticed Ripples In The Ocean, That Made No Sense, And Studied Them, Asked 'What Causing Those Ripples", And For Days Went Back To The Beach, And Continued To Study It, And Figure Out What It Was, And Finally One Day His Brain Had All The Information It Needed, And Thus, The Boats Materialized So To Speak, And He Could See Them. He Told Everyone What Was Causing Those Ripples, And Everyone Digested The Information And Thus They Could See Them Too.


There's So Much We Don't Know, And There's So Much We Think We Know, But We Do Not, Whether This Is True, Or Not, It Makes You Think, What Are We Capable Of? If Matter Isn't Matter, What Are We? And How Are Things Even Possible?

Watch "What The Bleep Do We Know: Down The Rabbit Hole" It'll Explain Everything I've Explained, With A Visual Description. For Years I've Ben Asking Myself Whats A THought, And Different Questions On Life, And Well, I Recently Saw That Movie, And It Helped Me Articulate It A Little Better. I Recommend It. I'm Constantly Seeding It Though, Through Utorrent, A Long With A Lot Of Other People, So You'll Download It In Like 30 Minutes. If You Want The Torrent, My MSN Is homelesswonders(at)gmail(dot)com But I Also Highly Recommend Buying It. because Well, There's A Lot More To The DVD Then The Video. And Everytime The Movie Is Played, It Scatters The Video, And It's Like A Completely New Movie Each Time.

SofaKing
09-20-2009, 12:10 PM
Aight I like super sciency stuff like this. Don't think I believe the Columbus part but I see what your getting at. Can you post the link for that torrent or pm it to me? I might buy the movie if I like the video enough :)

andyflag
09-20-2009, 03:09 PM
Alright Will Do, And Anyone Who Wants it, Just Ask.


The Movies Is Not Only 'Sciency' But It's Very Philosophical, And I'm A Diehard Philosopher. Can't Get Knowledge Without Asking Questions =)

SofaKing
09-20-2009, 05:13 PM
Alright Will Do, And Anyone Who Wants it, Just Ask.


The Movies Is Not Only 'Sciency' But It's Very Philosophical, And I'm A Diehard Philosopher. Can't Get Knowledge Without Asking Questions =)

well thats good, aside from sciency stuff I also like philosophy :D

andyflag
09-20-2009, 06:02 PM
Let Me Know What You Think!

zacksteele
09-20-2009, 06:10 PM
i don't really like this kind of science. But i like other stuff like engineering. Matter is not really matter because it is not really matter. WTF did i just say

andyflag
09-23-2009, 12:01 PM
i don't really like this kind of science. But i like other stuff like engineering. Matter is not really matter because it is not really matter. WTF did i just say

I love this kind of science, for me, it's pure enjoyment knowing we know absolutely nothing

Socrates once said "The only thing i am certain of, is my own ignorance."

SofaKing
09-26-2009, 10:18 PM
finally got to watching your video and I thought it was really intriguing. Over all I liked it but my only proublem was that there were allot of assumptions involved in coming to allot of their points. These assumptions were backed by some well thought out examples, conditions, and scenarios which attempted to make them believable as fact. This is unfortunately one of the biggest things that annoys me when incorporated into science. Until something can be proved beyond the shadow of a doubt you cant pass it as fact.

not saying I think the whole thing is bull though. Assuming everything about that experiment you covered in your first post is true, there definitely is something to this they just got a bit in head of themselves with this bizarre discovery.

I'm going to do a bit more reading on this because it is pretty interesting, thanks for the link :D

Also I liked their brief mention of flatland twords the end, if you like crazy theories and whatnot read up on the 4th dimension. Thats also pretty intresting.

andyflag
09-27-2009, 01:33 AM
I've got so much on my plate lol, I'm writing a book about the theory I showed you. And it's so time consuming. but I will as soon as I can

SirAllred
11-05-2009, 03:32 PM
i don't really like this kind of science. But i like other stuff like engineering. Matter is not really matter because it is not really matter. WTF did i just say

Matter is not matter because you percive it as a matter, with what we have been told is matter, is not matter, but reconstructing the basis for what we know is matter, and for you to visually understand matter, it takes us not only recognizing matter we knew and were told but to also view matter upon how it has affected the world in which we've percived it (matter) to be in.

In a nutshell.

I have no idea wtf i just said but that was kinda cool.

Sciency talk on a forum. When ur not bootleggin' games, Get Learneded!