about Goldeneye 007 ROM

[chaos master]

If James Bond is ESA protected, why do we have it here for download? Am I missing something?

[Iconoclast]

The ESA has not scolded admin for hosting all of the ESA-protected titles, only Mario, Donkey Kong, and a couple others I keep forgetting. admin still does host some ROMs protected by the ESA.

Even so, I wouldn't consider GoldenEye 007 ESA-protected. Think of it this way: Super Smash Bros. isn't protected by the ESA just because it has Mario in it, so why should GoldenEye 007 be ESA-protected just because it has James Bond in it? In other words, I think the title of the game has to have an ESA term in it. That's where the phrase, "ESA-protected titles," comes in.

[pizzaman]

SSB is not ESA protected because it doesn't have only mario in there. GoldenEye 007 has only James Bond, so it should be ESA protected, but IDK why it's not.

[Iconoclast]

GoldenEye 007 is not ESA-protected, and should not be. Super Smash Bros. is also not ESA-protected because the title of the game does not actually have the word 'Mario' in it. I know this because the list of ESA-protected games uses the phrase, "ESA-protected titles." The characters in the game have nothing to do with it.

Besides, how can Super Smash Bros. not be ESA-protected because Mario isn't the only character in it when Mario Kart is ESA-protected? Mario Kart has characters in it besides Mario, and it's still ESA-protected. It's the title, not the characters.

Next time, try answering questions with facts, not unjustified opinions.

[pizzaman]

GoldenEye 007 is not ESA-protected, and should not be. Super Smash Bros. is also not ESA-protected because the title of the game does not actually have the word 'Mario' in it. I know this because the list of ESA-protected games uses the phrase, "ESA-protected titles." The characters in the game have nothing to do with it.

Besides, how can Super Smash Bros. not be ESA-protected because Mario isn't the only character in it when Mario Kart is ESA-protected? Mario Kart has characters in it besides Mario, and it's still ESA-protected. It's the title, not the characters.

Next time, try answering questions with facts, not unjustified opinions.
ESA Protected Titles has nothing to do with the actual game's title.

Edit: I asked my friend and he agrees.

[Iconoclast]

Dude, you're a moron. ESA Protected Titles has nothing to do with the actual game's title.Wow, that was smart and nonarrogant, start flaming me by calling me a moron just because you can't admit it when you're wrong.

I really don't think you know anything about the ESA; you just make up stuff. ESA-protected titles has everything to do with the game's actual title. Notice how "ESA-protected titles" and "game's actual title" both have the word 'title' in it. Don't play dumb. ESA-protected games are judged only by their title, and I read that online from an offical source, idiot. Where's your source? Don't have one? Making stuff up again?

The only reason you said games were ESA-protected or not depending on the characters IN the game was because you stereotyped it, because I know that's not true, and I know several other users who keep saying that. The difference is, however, they included the phrase "I THINK," when you didn't. You made it sound like your opinion was a fact. Well, it's wrong, and once again, you're misinforming chaos master with your ignorance to make him dumber with understanding the ESA. Now go away.

[DarthBrady]

Come on Guys, pull your head out of your butt. :p

Havent we been through this before?! If you really want to get down to it, then technically, EVERY rom on this site is ESA protected. at least for its first 75 years after its release. No matter who the freakin character is in the game, in the U.S. they ALL fall under the same category. Piracy. That's life.

The ESA has not hassled admin (or anyone else responsible) to remove the titles currently available, so they arent going to be removed, until they do so. If you guys remember, CoolROM did have some of those ESA protected titles at one point in time, until CoolROM was instructed/asked to remove them.

What I want to know is, why CoolROM gets the axe for carrying such titles removed, but other sites like Romhustler is getting away with it. they are just as big a site as CoolROM, why isnt the ESA crawling up their backs?

[Kit]

If James Bond is ESA protected, why do we have it here for download? Am I missing something?

The ESA probably hasn't noticed. We have other games too, we have Pokemon, Final Fantasy, and other games on the list in the rules thread. The only games that have been forced to be removed are Mario, Donkey Kong and Rayman.

[Iconoclast]

Havent we been through this before?! If you really want to get down to it, then technically, EVERY rom on this site is ESA protected. at least for its first 75 years after its release. No matter who the freakin character is in the game, in the U.S. they ALL fall under the same category. Piracy. That's life.

The ESA has not hassled admin (or anyone else responsible) to remove the titles currently available, so they arent going to be removed, until they do so. If you guys remember, CoolROM did have some of those ESA protected titles at one point in time, until CoolROM was instructed/asked to remove them.

What I want to know is, why CoolROM gets the axe for carrying such titles removed, but other sites like Romhustler is getting away with it. they are just as big a site as CoolROM, why isnt the ESA crawling up their backs?That is inaccurate. Not all of the ROMs on this site are ESA-protected, not even technically. Only those titles listed in Kameo's thread. HOWEVER, they are illegal to download, ESA-protected or not, but that does not mean that they are ESA-protected just because they are illegal to download. Because of Nintendo's copyright laws, they are all illegal to download. The ESA has absolutely nothing to do with the 75-year-expiration rule; that's the U.S. law for copyright expiration, which applies to even Nintendo's ROMs.

Your second paragraph is true.

As for your third paragraph, I don't know the details, but the ESA may be unable to persecute ROMHustler's ISP and shutdown their website and therefore cannot force the webmaster of ROMHustler.net to remove these titles.

[jambog]

What I want to know is, why CoolROM gets the axe for carrying such titles removed, but other sites like Romhustler is getting away with it. they are just as big a site as CoolROM, why isnt the ESA crawling up their backs?

Not sure on this but I think the reason is the ESA only has authority over North America, coolrom is based out of Canada, which is North America. I don't know where RomHustler or othersites are based out of, but if they are based out of the UK or something maybe their laws differ from North America.

I don't know though, ESA might be worldwide but it just seems logical that they are not since there are plenty of other ROM sites hosting ESA protected games.

Then again, maybe the ESAs bark is bigger than its bite and they have asked other sites to remove the games, but the sites don't cause they don't believe the ESA will do anything about it.

[pizzaman]

No, ESA is not world-wide, and Jambog makes a good point. There are lots of countries where people the government doesn't care about that stuff. Russia is probably the biggest one, everything is held on Russian servers, so that no one can get in trouble for giving out illegal material.

[chaos master]

Come on Guys, pull your head out of your butt. :p

Havent we been through this before?! If you really want to get down to it, then technically, EVERY rom on this site is ESA protected. at least for its first 75 years after its release. No matter who the freakin character is in the game, in the U.S. they ALL fall under the same category. Piracy. That's life.

The ESA has not hassled admin (or anyone else responsible) to remove the titles currently available, so they arent going to be removed, until they do so. If you guys remember, CoolROM did have some of those ESA protected titles at one point in time, until CoolROM was instructed/asked to remove them.

What I want to know is, why CoolROM gets the axe for carrying such titles removed, but other sites like Romhustler is getting away with it. they are just as big a site as CoolROM, why isnt the ESA crawling up their backs?


Well I would suppose that would answer my question...

[Iconoclast]

Well I would suppose that would answer my question...Right. So, I post a direct answer to your question, and then DarthBrady comes in and posts a three paragraph story, and THEN you say, to him, "I suppose that would answer your question...." You are so freaking weird.

[chaos master]

Right. So, I post a direct answer to your question, and then DarthBrady comes in and posts a three paragraph story, and THEN you say, to him, "I suppose that would answer your question...." You are so freaking weird.

Hey, you don't need to tell me twice. I didn't specify whether my question was answered by another post, mind you.

[Iconoclast]

Hey, you don't need to tell me twice. I didn't specify whether my question was answered by another post, mind you.OK, I'm actually not understanding what you just said. Where are you getting this crap; I didn't tell you anything twice.

Still, it's so freaking stupid. DarthBrady posts a three paragraph complaint, and you tell him he answered your question? I mean, what the hell did I just post? The answer to your question, right? Are you blind?

[chaos master]

As long as I got the answer from someone, what do you care? Now go away. :3

[Iconoclast]

**** you, *******. I wasn't in the mood for your smartass attitude.

[Fierce Deity]

Yeesh. Everybody calm yourselves. And stuff.

Look at me, I'm a wishing troll!

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[pizzaman]

**** you, *******. I wasn't in the mood for your smartass attitude.
Is Iconoclast trolling again? :nono:

[chaos master]

**** you, *******. I wasn't in the mood for your smartass attitude.

This is what I get when I ask questions around here. -_-

[pizzaman]

This is what I get when I ask questions around here. -_-
Actually Iconoclast seems as if he's on his period lately. I REALLY don't like how he makes a big deal of everything and tries to argue. No one freaking cares who's right or wrong about things so little.

[Iconoclast]

This is what I get when I ask questions around here. -_-To me, thats like putting me through this:Am I ****ing you off yet?**** off, moron.That is what I get when I ask questions around here.I am so tired of reading these STUPID replies you keep giving me. Did you ever think about pulling that hammer out of your dented head BEFORE you reply? No wonder you didn't post your picture on these forums.... I don't know who left that hammer in there (there...your head...you know, there? Are you there?), but I don't blame 'em.

Pizzaman, you and I both know very well that everything we've argued about was not as trivial as you say. In the first page of this thread, we were arguing about ESA-protected ROMs. That matters. In that other thread, we were arguing about it being even POSSIBLE to apply your suggestion about signature limitations. That matters. Arguing is a good thing. It clears misunderstandings up. Its not about proving whos wrong and whos right; its about correcting mistakes, which is not a bad thing. The only people who think arguing is a bad thing are people who don't like being corrected, yet like to correct others.Thats a statement, not a question. You should have put that in your other paragraph.Just because you are too damn arrogant to listen to my corrections when you correct other people, doesn't give you an excuse to call ME arrogant (by saying I argue about whos right and whos wrong alone).

[pizzaman]

To me, thats like putting me through this:I am so tired of reading these STUPID replies you keep giving me. Did you ever think about pulling that hammer out of your dented head BEFORE you reply? No wonder you didn't post your picture on these forums.... I don't know who left that hammer in there (there...your head...you know, there? Are you there?), but I don't blame 'em.

Pizzaman, you and I both know very well that everything we've argued about was not as trivial as you say. In the first page of this thread, we were arguing about ESA-protected ROMs. That matters. In that other thread, we were arguing about it being even POSSIBLE to apply your suggestion about signature limitations. That matters. Arguing is a good thing. It clears misunderstandings up. Its not about proving whos wrong and whos right; its about correcting mistakes, which is not a bad thing. The only people who think arguing is a bad thing are people who don't like being corrected, yet like to correct others.Just because you are too damn arrogant to listen to my corrections when you correct other people, doesn't give you an excuse to call ME arrogant (by saying I argue about whos right and whos wrong alone).
Arguing is not a good thing. Explaining and asking questions clears things up, not arguing. Funny thing... you started arguing with CM and calling him all kind of things for no good reason.... Hmmm... sounds sort of fimiliar if you ask me.

But you are right about ONE thing. ESA-protected ROMs and signature limitations disscusions do matter, but what doesn't matter is your arrogant blabber about how the world revolves around you. ;)

And with that I take my leave. No need to reply, unless you want to waste your "precious" time. I won't be coming back here. CM got his question answered already. No need to post any futher.

[Iconoclast]

Arguing is not a good thing. Explaining and asking questions clears things up, not arguing. Funny thing... you started arguing with CM and calling him all kind of things for no good reason.... Hmmm... sounds sort of fimiliar if you ask me.

But you are right about ONE thing. ESA-protected ROMs and signature limitations disscusions do matter, but what doesn't matter is your arrogant blabber about how the world revolves around you. ;)

And with that I take my leave. No need to reply, unless you want to waste your "precious" time. I won't be coming back here. CM got his question answered already. No need to post any futher.Whats with your third paragraph? Are you trying to say that theres no need for me to make an off-topic reply, since an argument has nothing to do with this thread? Well, what did you just post? An argument! IDIOT! You like to argue, not just me. An argument is whenever you debate about something. You stereotype an argument as a fight, but its not always a fight, it can be a GOOD argument. Until I start saying you gave chaos master a wrong answer, and you turn it into a bad one by calling me a moron.

Explaining and asking questions? I cannot believe what I am reading. When you misinformed chaos master with the wrong answer to his question, I EXPLAINED myself. And then you called me a moron, and you started an argument RIGHT there. Of course, I suppose youre going to deny it by saying, "No, you deserved it." And if you DID say that, I would ask you a question: Why did I deserve it? And then you would say why, and I would say that was no reason to call me a moron, which is a VALID disagreement. An arguement ALWAYS starts when there is a disagreement, and if it is a VALID one, someones gotta learn their lesson. Arguing is a good thing. To you, its bad, because you hate to lose.

Sounds familiar? Like the argument you started with me by calling me a moron? Oh, yeah, you don't like to argue, you just like to START arguments by calling people names, and when they reply, you say, don't even bother replying to this, to discourage the person from replying so you can have the last word!

ONE thing? Well, I suppose I should be surprised you didn't say I was wrong about everything because arguing is wrong. "The world revolves around me?" Dude, wtf? Whose *** do you pull this **** from, anyway? I was only trying to explain that you made a mistake! Theres nothing wrong with correcting people, only when you don't like being corrected. Thats like you saying 2 + 2 is 3, I say its four, then you accuse me, of that two-word post (its four) of blabbering about the world revolving around me! Wth kind of analogy is that, anyway?

Don't reply to this; see if I care. And even if you never do come back to this thread, and you never read this response, everyone else here will, and they'll know that the only reason you stop reading this thread is because you lost an argument, you can't admit it, you know it. Simple.

[chaos master]

I somehow feel my intentions were lost in translation en route to Iconoclast's computer. When I ask a question, I am not intending to lure Iconoclast into some sort of trap. I want answers. I only said "Now go away" because you said it to pizzaman, so I figured you'd just take it as a joke, not explain how someone left their hammer in my head or whatever that crap was. I even put a little smiley there as a sort of "jk."
I don't like it how these arguments break out.

[Iconoclast]

I somehow feel my intentions were lost in translation en route to Iconoclast's computer. When I ask a question, I am not intending to lure Iconoclast into some sort of trap. I want answers. I only said "Now go away" because you said it to pizzaman, so I figured you'd just take it as a joke, not explain how someone left their hammer in my head or whatever that crap was. I even put a little smiley there as a sort of "jk."
I don't like it how these arguments break out.I told pizzaman to go away because he was being an assfag. Calling me a moron just because he can't admit his mistakes. And he calls ME arrogant?

You **** me off, too, sometimes, obviously, but youre not spoiled and argumentative and accusing people of arguing prettending like they don't like to argue, calling THEM arrogant, being hypocritical and trying to get the last word like some people. You ain't done nothing.

I didn't see a JK. Whatever. shtting down crap.

[Iconoclast]

ESA Protected Titles has nothing to do with the actual game's title.

Edit: I asked my friend and he agrees.If it wasn't for harger, I would never have seen this edit.

Who gives a **** what your friend thinks; admin knows the title is everything about whether or not the ROM is ESA-protected. Idiot, you don't just walk over to some anonymous person down the street and ask them if they agree with you, ask admin, not your best friend. Duh, that is so ****ing retarded.

Probably a lie, anyway, as in, by "I asked my friend," you meant yourself. If you really asked your friend, then, if he even knew wtf the ESA was, he would not agree to this stereotype.

Next thing you know, pizzaman"s going to go all the hell up to the North Pole and ask Santa Claus before he ever asks admin about ROMs being protected by their titles or not....