Do You Consider Poker A Sport

[YBE4082]

I'm so sick of espn, tbs, and other networks broadcasting annonomous turds engaging in poker games liek it's some type of sport...not only am i fed up with the fact that it comes on tv a regular basis, but that i can name over 10 poker players off the top of my head like they're MJ, or Tiger, or Brian Urlacher...

[yukimura09]

i know its like a sport but i dont know if it is a sport or not
cuz i know its only a game :D

[AKA Jesus]

If poker is a sport, than playing solitaire on my pc is a sport too. It's not a sport, but i'm fine with poker on tv every now and then, not constantly!

[YBE4082]

If poker is a sport, than playing solitaire on my pc is a sport too. It's not a sport, but i'm fine with poker on tv every now and then, not constantly!

If that's the case...Solitare and prison spades are a sport...as well as tournament go fish, and old maid...

[cherko]

Poker is not a sport, it's a game. But I don't mind it being on TV.

[YBE4082]

Poker is not a sport, it's a game. But I don't mind it being on TV.

But damm, espn treats phil hellmuth, phil ivey, daniel negreneu like soon to be, hall of fame football players...send these guys to canton, ohio...

[Klendathu]

Absolutely......not.

[Pouso-G]

Is chess a sport?? It's a card game! So playing Yu-Gi-Oh is sport, too!? No card or table game is a sport!

[Agent Smith]

Poker, like golf is not a sport.
It is only a game.

[chaos master]

Poker, unlike golf, is not a sport.

[YBE4082]

would throwing poker cards for distance be a sport

[Agent Smith]

would throwing poker cards for distance be a sport


Sure if you had beer sponsers and lots of Bikini Clad women walking around carring the what round it is signs.

[Kristaps513]

Is chess a sport?? It's a card game! So playing Yu-Gi-Oh is sport, too!? No card or table game is a sport!
Nope chess ir game, no card's are used in it, so why would it be called card game. ;)

[PYRO_JUNKY]

meh, pokers sporty enough for me, sports dont have to be physical to be considered sports, pools a non physical sport for example.

personally I'm really into poker, more into playing then watching although i do watch now and again to pick up a few tips on how to improve my game.

[+Lewis+]

Its not a sport. its a game you play on the bus on the way to camp.

[YBE4082]

meh, pokers sporty enough for me, sports dont have to be physical to be considered sports, pools a non physical sport for example.

personally I'm really into poker, more into playing then watching although i do watch now and again to pick up a few tips on how to improve my game.

yeah...i often catch myself indulging in watching the sweat trickle (no homo) as a player goes all in...gotta have nuts

[Klendathu]

I have consulted with the great Jambi.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/Klendathu/jambi.jpg
Mekka Lekka Hi, Mekka Hiney Ho!
Poker is Not a Sport. It's a Card Game.

Well, there you have it. The great Jambi has spoken.

[PYRO_JUNKY]

yeah...i often catch myself indulging in watching the sweat trickle (no homo) as a player goes all in...gotta have nuts

0.o...............

i dont get it. :nono:

but uh, if pool considered a sport then why cant poker be considered a sport?

[YBE4082]

0.o...............

i dont get it. :nono:

but uh, if pool considered a sport then why cant poker be considered a sport?

just gibberish....but there is no atheletisizm in poker... throwing your cards to fold is about as physical as it gets

[Klendathu]

just gibberish....but there is no atheletisizm in poker... throwing your cards to fold is about as physical as it gets

Those chips can get pretty heavy. Going all in with 1million in chips you could pull a hammy.

[YBE4082]

Those chips can get pretty heavy. Going all in with 1million in chips you could pull a hammy.

O.k. I figured it out...Only poker players with tons of chips who go all in consistantly are considered atheletes

[Stroh]

nope and never will be... it will always be JUST a card game that people lose their $$$ with sometimes.

[roaddog999]

Maybe it is a sport ur poker face gets a good work out

[YBE4082]

Poker Faces are coolhttp://pokerworks.com/img/articles-img/small-icon-img44fc38796e0b2.png

[braves1221]

Poker is absolutely not a sport.

[Holland Guy]

is cards a sport? no.

Is poker cards? yes.

there is my answer.

[Doregushin]

I'd rather watch Golden Girls on acid

[tommytee]

its not like you are obligated to train physically or something; not that it defines what a sport is. but have you guys seen those peeps??

[ARProductions]

It would be nice of this dude would of spelled consider right

[Kilghard Wolf]

Probably played Mortal Kombat too much.

[teendl]

poker is asport to me kinda but noot rlly all that physicall

[SirAllred]

If poker is a sport, then Uno is what?

Spring Training?

Do you need to advance in the little leagues of Go Fish before you step up to the majors?

I don't think so, not a sport.

[nubpwn3r]

if the players jump the table and beat the crap out of each other, that is the day i will consider poker a sport.

[deadly_-_dreamerX]

Any gambling considered as the same level of Alcoholics in my region.
But if no money is involved, then we can call it as a mod of entertaining.

[nubpwn3r]

Any gambling considered as the same level of Alcoholics in my region.
But if no money is involved, then we can call it as a mod of entertaining.

how is poker entertaining if there's no money involved. its exactly entertaining to watch when there is money involved, but at least when money is involved there are consequences for the loser. thats what makes it competitive, and theres entertainment in competition.

[Sargoth]

I consider poker a game of skill, similar to chess. Not a sport.

[deadly_-_dreamerX]

how is poker entertaining if there's no money

That's what I said, In my region. As I said it is cosidered as Alcohol.
Actualy moraly. Nuff said. No more comment please.

[Sargoth]

Meh, what is considered "morally objectionable" varies greatly from person to person.

[deadly_-_dreamerX]

"morally objectionable"

Not nessecarly.

Edit: So to release others and me as well from getting far from the subject.

[nubpwn3r]

so, someone just need to invent the sport poker brawl, where the people with the 2 worst hands have like a U.F.C. style smack down. that would make it entertaining without money being a factor, and it would also give the athletic qualities need to be considered a sport. violence is always the best answer:D

[Sargoth]

Sigh if you don't want it commented on, then don't post it at all.


Poker is not a sport.

Poker is a game of skill, not of chance. You are playing the other people, not their cards.

[deadly_-_dreamerX]

violence is always the best answer:D

True so true!:D

[Devastating]

Poker a sport?lol.:nono:

Hell no.

[Wendy Hamburger]

I'm so sick of espn, tbs, and other networks broadcasting annonomous turds engaging in poker games liek it's some type of sport...not only am i fed up with the fact that it comes on tv a regular basis, but that i can name over 10 poker players off the top of my head like they're MJ, or Tiger, or Brian Urlacher...

Funny you should mention that. Poker has really been blastered all over Australia's new Free to air sports Channel (One HD). They seem to play it more and more and have a new poker championships tourtament coming up in Feb 2010 with the New Zealenders.

My main issue with Poker is, how on earth can they classify this as a sport? It's wasted on the sports channel and quite frankly they could have tried to get the NHL to air on One like they did with the baseball, but no they wasted it on a game of skill instead. Idiots, really.

But anyway to answer the original question - No, I don't classify it as a sport. It's a game. :)

[Da_Luvin_Hubby]

Poker is a game of Skill and chance, more the former then the latter. Those two reasons alone give it cause to be classified as a sport in an obscure kind of way.

But really when you get down to it it can't possibly be a sport for one solid reason...... there's no ball. :) Same as i don't consider Hockey or boxing a sport, niether has a ball...... Hockey has a puck, which is close though. But both of those are really mere excuses for people to beat each other up, not that there's anything wrong with that lol

[GameGeeks]

Wow, then most of the events at the olympics aren't sports.

[Da_Luvin_Hubby]

I agree, most of them in my opinion aren't sports, and i'll give you some examples.....

100m dash and other running events:
A: No ball
B: ANYBODY can run... and if you got someone pointing a gun at you, ANYBODY can run really fast.

Long/Triple Jump:
A: No Ball
B: Once again, ANYBODY can jump, and with the right stimuli, anybody can jump far.... or three times.



Those are just some examples... now lets look at REAL sports (In my opinion of course :) ) Just remember, with the right amount of fear, you can do just about anything within the Olympics well.

American Football:
A: There's a ball
B: Not everybody can take a hit from a 400 lb guy and still survive the impact
C: There are set goals with points where you have to take said ball to score
D: There are set "Teams" which attempt to accomplish all activities associated with the game

Soccer (rest of the world Football):
A: There's a ball
B: You have to, once again, get said ball into a goal on either end of a field to score points.
C: There are set "Teams" which attempt to accomplish all activities associated with the game
D: Even marathon runners can't run at nearly top speed throughout the entirety of one of these games.

So there you have it. I agree, that there may be holes in my arguements, but that's fine, conflict breeds progressions breeds conversation :)

[GameGeeks]

I guess I can see things being a sport if they have no ball. Remember sports didn't always have balls in ancied times.

[Da_Luvin_Hubby]

ahhh, but many actual sports DID have a ball..... per se.

The inca's had an interesting one where they used their hips to launch a ball into a vertical hoop 10-15 feet into the air (Origionaly it was human heads as i understand it, though i may be wrong)

[GameGeeks]

I know of another with a hoop and if they scored they got to take an article of clothing from one of the adience members.

[Da_Luvin_Hubby]

Haven't heard of that one, though i'm sure it was a big hit with the men of the era lol

[GameGeeks]

Probaly, unless they where gay.

[Da_Luvin_Hubby]

even if they're gay they would enjoy it, they'd just steal articals from men rather than women lol

[GameGeeks]

I'd have to crack my Ripley's Belive it or Not book out to find the tribe again.

[Xx JOLT xX]

I figure if Chess can be considered a sport, why not Poker?

[Sargoth]

I consider Chess a game as well

[classicscommando09]

Foosball should be an Olympic sport. Poor man's soccer.

[Xx JOLT xX]

Foosball should be an Olympic sport. Poor man's soccer.

If it's a poor man's soccer, why are the tables so expensive, whereas a soccer ball and goal can be purchased quite cheaply in comparison?

[li3w]

how can u consider poker a sport? You dun sweat, dun move alot of ur body and most importantly you dun get fit by playing poker!

[jsf]

poker and golf are not sports

[namnamnam]

nahhhh too much sitting you know. lazy bums

[ridley]

I don't know how playing cards can be considered a sport.

[doyleboy]

I dont think it should be a sport, for me a sport involves you bieng outside and getting sweaty in some way, kicking or smacking a object of some kind ;)

[laurence2410]

poker is not a sport neither is snooker, darts, pool or fishing end off :-0

[keo10203]

I would like to see the golden girls on acid I think that would be the best series of show in tv lol

[Gnosis]

There is a difference between a competition and a sport... You can compete doing anything, but a sport I would qualify as a competetion between 2 teams of individuals physically squaring off against each other... I also don't consider golf a sport, although I don't mind watching poker or golf, they don't really embody the struggle you think of when you think of the words sporting event....

[Raziel200480]

poker sucks

[Brillonius]

No, it's entertainment. Like wrestling.

[Shenanigans]

Not a sport!

[Omns3]

Not a Sport.

[turrauko]

It's better than watching golf. :D

[SirAllred]

It's better than watching golf. :D

You make a very valid point.

I'm thinking watching a rat die of the black plague is right up there with poker.

[Maelick]

doesnt matter what i think, apparently it has been adopted as a sport for the unexcercizing masses! Bores the hell outta me, unlike golden girls on acid which is a total trip (but not a sport)!

[Xeniok]

I don't mind it being on tv just like I don't mind fishing being on tv, or golf, or shows about making quilts. As for it being a sport, yes I absolutely believe it is a sport simply due to the fact that it does take training and skill in order to be the best just like every other sport.

From Wikipedia:
Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determinant of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports (a common name for some card games and board games with little to no element of chance) and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors.

[SirAllred]

the definition for sport is a whore...

Anyways, come on....that literally Puts Rugby (A sport known for it physical injuries, and brutal rules) now side-by-side with Go Fish.

Un-****ing-Beleivable

[kaosdeity]

No, poker isn't a sport, but it you MUST watch poker, do it right. Bull/Mexican Sweat/ suicide poker. These guys are amateurs though; they didn't even actually use cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PG1RTK5vr4&feature=related

I'd play that Annie Duke chic any day.

[mike2009]

I think it is a sport, because it use nerve and guts to play....and also if there's poker girls behind....:devil:

[Darrell_Mustaine]

No, poker isn't a sport, but it you MUST watch poker, do it right. Bull/Mexican Sweat/ suicide poker. These guys are amateurs though; they didn't even actually use cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PG1RTK5vr4&feature=related

I'd play that Annie Duke chic any day.


no offence, maybe your a good poker player, but you would probably lose to Annie Duke unless you got really lucky

i play poker....i excell in poker, ive won over $600 without depositiing any money (won my first few dollars playing in a free tourney)

i honestly dont know if it should be considered a sport or not but i do know this POKER is WAY better than PLAYING WITH BALLS

sports are stupid IMO and poker is awesome, its a mental game not a physical one. and really besides video games, and playin music, its like my favorite thing to do

well

theres VGames, Playin guitar and drums....partying....and then poker

[opilopil]

no itis not

[RetulAmora]

Not xactly a sport, but uses sportmanship rules... so it kinda is and kinda isn't... I'm not gonna base my judgement on athletics in sports... So IMO if cup stacking is considereda sport then really poker should be too

[raul781]

It's no more a sport than pool. But the women are so much hotter in pool !!!!

[bigbossVII]

its a game... a card game....

[Rooster^]

I dont consider Poker a sport since you cant really get injured from playing card, oh wait i guess you can get paper cuts.lol :D

[MikeB214]

I consider it a sport. I mean if ****in' golf or bowling can be considered sports, then why the hell can't everything else?

[Aqua Hedgehog]

It's no more a sport than pool.
Agreed. Until gaming is considered a sport, I won't consider poker a sport.

[MikeB214]

Agreed. Until gaming is considered a sport, I won't consider poker a sport.
I think it is... There are those huge video game tournaments so I'm sure it's considered a sport.
Sport - an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

So basically anything that requires skill and/or physical prowess that is competitive, is considered a sport. ie. Pool, Poker, Video Gaming, ect. are all included.

[El Cee]

Pokers not a sport... end of discussion

[Aqua Hedgehog]

I think it is... There are those huge video game tournaments so I'm sure it's considered a sport.
Sport - an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

So basically anything that requires skill and/or physical prowess that is competitive, is considered a sport. ie. Pool, Poker, Video Gaming, ect. are all included.

I've never seen any mention of gaming as a sport, but then, gaming isn't really a mainstream/popular pasttime these days, especially where I live. It's pretty sad how gaming has gone downhill these days - it used to be magical back in the days of the NES and SNES but around the PSX generation, it devolved into a hobby for lonely nerds living in their parents' basement. And if that weren't enough, Nintendo tried to hit the mainstream market again with the DS and Wii and nearly everyone on the internet bags on the Wii - primarily non-mainstream "hardcore" gamers. Provided that the gaming community focused more on having their hobby recognized and organized more events instead of making ****fest console wars about how the XBox 360 breaks too easily, the Wii is for babies and gay people, etc., it would easily take Poker's spot as a sport.

Poker, on the other hand, is mostly a game of luck and requires little to no skill, so it shouldn't even be considered a sport. The only trait of a sport that it has is that it's competitive.

I would gladly help arrange some CoolROM online gaming events, like online tournaments for emulated games, etc., and maybe have some video recordings of the matches on YouTube.

[MikeB214]

I've never seen any mention of gaming as a sport, but then, gaming isn't really a mainstream/popular pasttime these days, especially where I live. It's pretty sad how gaming has gone downhill these days - it used to be magical back in the days of the NES and SNES but around the PSX generation, it devolved into a hobby for lonely nerds living in their parents' basement. And if that weren't enough, Nintendo tried to hit the mainstream market again with the DS and Wii and nearly everyone on the internet bags on the Wii - primarily non-mainstream "hardcore" gamers. Provided that the gaming community focused more on having their hobby recognized and organized more events instead of making ****fest console wars about how the XBox 360 breaks too easily, the Wii is for babies and gay people, etc., it would easily take Poker's spot as a sport.

Poker, on the other hand, is mostly a game of luck and requires little to no skill, so it shouldn't even be considered a sport. The only trait of a sport that it has is that it's competitive.

I would gladly help arrange some CoolROM online gaming events, like online tournaments for emulated games, etc., and maybe have some video recordings of the matches on YouTube.
Gaming has gone down as "mainstream" but as for PSX era, I think that's totally wrong, I mean PSX is when gaming was still in it's prime. The SNES blew up the gaming market and the N64 and PSX kept that alive. I'd say late PSX, early PS2 is when gaming started to fall slightly. But, even though, here in Lafayette, it is still damn near impossible to get your hands on a current gen system. PS3s come in 30+ at a time to all the gamestops and they're sold out almost instantly. The same goes for 360s and Wiis.

As for thinking that Poker is all about luck, then you've obviously never played poker with money. I play poker every Friday night with my friends, a cheap little 5 dollar game that we bull**** on and it's nothing to win or lose, just good old fun. But then I have my Monday night games with my "poker buddies". There are about 10+ of us (+ because anyone can just walk in and join as they please. We play in a bar) that all play with at least 100 bucks. I play 100 and half of the people there throw down 300 and up. I'm not saying none of it is luck, but you can't just win with luck, you have to be able to read people, know when someone is bluffing by paying attention to each and every person's reactions during their bets and so forth. You have to know when to fold, when to bet, when to check, when to call, when to go all in.... It's a game of mind****ing.

As for your CoolROM tournaments, I'M IN! I'd love to be a part of that, actually. Just set it up and let me know when!

Edit: Here is a link to Fatal1ty (http://www.fatal1ty.com/) I remember him winning a **** ton of gaming tournaments. I believe he was or still is the best Unreal Tournament player in the world. Don't remember, so correct me if I'm wrong.

[NLemonz]

No, poker isn't a sport, but it you MUST watch poker, do it right. Bull/Mexican Sweat/ suicide poker. These guys are amateurs though; they didn't even actually use cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PG1RTK5vr4&feature=related

I'd play that Annie Duke chic any day.

Alright. Now it's a sport.:devil:

[MikeB214]

Actually if you think about it this poll is unfair. I mean there is "I'd rather watch Golden Girls on acid" on the list.... I'd rather do that than do ANYTHING.... Totally unfair.

[hahalol]

its a game

[Shaneth]

Poker is a non-contact sport.

[doc-2k10]

Unless it gets you active, In my mind i wouldnt consider it a sport, excepions maybe for sports like F1 and MotoGP. Poker to me is more of a Game than a sport.

[6runge]

well u sweat so it is xD

[greenychewy]

Poker is more of a recreational hobby like pool etc. so it should not be on ESPN but stuff like that should have there own channel or something like that.

[AQPSofia]

No nada q ver! x?

[lucifer3d]

its not a sport at all in my mind but it one hella fun game,should continue being brodcast on tv on any channel that will allow it

[emulaterman]

they need to recreact that super dragonball z game for psz but make the graphics different powers different but same gameplay mades and stuff just better way better

[aznpersuazin]

i dont really think poker is a sport

[madness]

its a sport

[zion3]

not really since ther s no athletic purpose

[dogloop]

I don't see poker as a sport, it's a game, and a table game at that. Some games are sports-like and belong on ESPN.
Besides watching poker on TV is a little like watching paint dry.

Anyhow, sorry to rant.

[Jman321]

It's a game

[strongmatt]

I'm fine with it on TV but I wouldn't consider it a sport.

[picd12]

if nascar is considered a sport, i'd consider poker a sport any day.

[gangstah-clown]

Poker, like golf is not a sport.
It is only a game.

At least golf involves SOME physicality.
I can't ****ing stand the World Series of Poker anymore.:mad2:

[Zix]

No I would not call it a sport.

in my mind if it dont get you active it aint a sport.

[jbeats]

its a (mental sport) if u considder chess/checkers to be a sport. poker will be right along with them.
my vote yes its a sport and in my opinion anything that takes time,practice,and training to be good at it. can be considdered a sport.
like gameing hahahaha

[bzerk45]

not a sport, just a really fun game

[Weagles_Fan]

I say yes, as they don't do it just for the sake of it, they can get some pretty good money out of it.

[fcf813]

Poker's not a sport it's a game. Winning money at something doesn't make it a sport. If that's the case then playing slot machines is a sport. You can be a pro poker player and live off of gambling, but that doesn't make you an athelete.

[wolfman24]

Poker is not a real sport but I guess some people think of it as a sport since there is Competitive and rivals

[Weagles_Fan]

Poker's not a sport it's a game. Winning money at something doesn't make it a sport. If that's the case then playing slot machines is a sport. You can be a pro poker player and live off of gambling, but that doesn't make you an athelete.

It is more a mental game. Some days they are there for 10-12 hours. I certainly couldn't last that long without doing something stupid. It is kind of like some people I know saying race car drivers aren't athletes. I would like to see some of them do 20 laps at full speed, let alone a whole race.

Another thing is that I don't think you make money from a hobby, at least not the amounts that they do. Maybe if you only play on a weekend with a few friends, but not when you play tournaments all year.

[phillipjrs]

no, I defenately do not consider it to be a sport.

[Smugleaf]

If sheep like you think that Poker's a sport, then some sh!t like Quake or Pokemon might as well be a sport. At least if that were true then failures like you that natural selection would normally pwn and recycle would have income besides your welfare checks or mommy's credit card.

[Weagles_Fan]

If sheep like you think that Poker's a sport, then some sh!t like Quake or Pokemon might as well be a sport. At least if that were true then failures like you that natural selection would normally pwn and recycle would have income besides your welfare checks or mommy's credit card.

Good. You go win every game you play in something like WSOP, then come back and say the same thing.

And have you never heard of gaming tournaments? There are people out there making money out of it.

As I said, you don't even rate as a troll, because trolls don't get owned so easily.

[Lightbeast]

good. You go win every game you play in something like wsop, then come back and say the same thing.

And have you never heard of gaming tournaments? There are people out there making money out of it.

As i said, you don't even rate as a troll, because trolls don't get owned so easily.

uber pwnage my friend kuudoos!!!!!!:d

[Smugleaf]

Good. You go win every game you play in something like WSOP, then come back and say the same thing.

And have you never heard of gaming tournaments? There are people out there making money out of it.

As I said, you don't even rate as a troll, because trolls don't get owned so easily.

uber pwnage my friend kuudoos!!!!!!:d

You little fags honestly think you're all are owning me? How cute.

[Lightbeast]

more like you think your A$$ is cute when you get reamed by older senile men otherwise yes it was owning your queenie lil a$$

[Smugleaf]

more like you think your A$$ is cute when you get reamed by older senile men otherwise yes it was owning your queenie lil a$$

Try harder.

[Lightbeast]

i have done enough to demean you and crush you i can sense you are butthurt the feeling you soo enjoy ill leave it there for tonight

[Smugleaf]

i have done enough to demean you and crush you i can sense you are butthurt the feeling you soo enjoy ill leave it there for tonight

You my good friend have sensed wrong. In fact, you're so butthurt it's warping your mind into believing that you're actually winning here and I'm the one who'll be crying himself to sleep.

By the way, have another macro:
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a4/AutismMacroAnusincenerated.png

[Stone Cold]

Not as funny as the first one.

[Weagles_Fan]

You little fags honestly think you're all are owning me? How cute.

Yes, easily, seeing as you have nothing to actually disprove what I say, and you have to try to attack me. It just goes to prove how much of a fail troll you actually are.

[Iconoclast]

http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/googoogee1/gorillathread.gif

This thread should have died in its infancy.

Yes, poker is a sport, and it also isn't. It really depends how you use it. Anything and everything is a sport. Anything and everything is not a sport. It just depends how you apply it. In the case of chess, actions more dynamically communicate personality than how much balls you have in poker, but both still could be applied as a sporting competition to some sort of a matter-of-perspective degree. :/
My short answer, is I don't care to evaluate whether it might actually be.

Anyway, can't we all just get along? Drink tea? Play some Spam Chess in old Sports/Recreation threads that should never have been bumped?

[Smugleaf]

Yes, easily, seeing as you have nothing to actually disprove what I say, and you have to try to attack me. It just goes to prove how much of a fail troll you actually are.

Why are you still bothering with me, then? You want to prove yourself better than Ol' Smugleaf? A bit of an unrealistic goal there, buddy. :)

[Devastating]

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