Time travel?

[Winston]

Sounds corny in a way for this part of the Forums. But I think its possible. I have my own theory. Since everything we see is simply a refelction from the object. Light bouncing off of whatever and hitting our eyes. Therefore everything we see is not what it actually looks like. But what if we could alter light or observe it from out in space or recently so it may be near the Earth.

We could view the history of the Earth by simply looking at light that has been refelcted of from the planet and is somewhere out in space. Now maybe this isnt time travel but my brother and I (who thought of it) thought this is very true. You wont get to GO back in time but you can see it and maybe alter it to change history?\

If you have any ideas or theories or think im a retard, which I may very well be lol Leave a post

[Majora_younglink]

I think time travel is basically a physical impossibility because to do so would require an energy so immense it would have to be... OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAANNNND! And I doubt anything within our comprehension could hold so much power no wonder wield it. I do believe if you could wield such power you could somehow bend the time fabric and open a hole big enough to send yourself to another time/place. I think no matter what though controlling where you go would be impossible unless your like the master of the universe or something though.

[Winston]

lol I guess you make a point...But did you even read my theory lol?

[Majora_younglink]

lol I guess you make a point...But did you even read my theory lol?

Yeah I did. Its an interesting theory but theres one big flaw with it imo. If that were true then people (in theory) could accidentally change the fabric of time. This could cause many different paradoxes thus most likely isn't true. Then again we may just be living in where we don't feel those paradoxes because every moment they happen the flow of time breaks/renews and erases all remnants of such named paradoxes.

[ridley]

Sounds corny in a way for this part of the Forums. But I think its possible. I have my own theory. Since everything we see is simply a refelction from the object. Light bouncing off of whatever and hitting our eyes. Therefore everything we see is not what it actually looks like. But what if we could alter light or observe it from out in space or recently so it may be near the Earth.

We could view the history of the Earth by simply looking at light that has been refelcted of from the planet and is somewhere out in space. Now maybe this isnt time travel but my brother and I (who thought of it) thought this is very true. You wont get to GO back in time but you can see it and maybe alter it to change history?\

If you have any ideas or theories or think im a retard, which I may very well be lol Leave a post


wow that is a very deep theory but if it was true in no way should history ever be altered

[Winston]

No probably not. But we could view the past, and the very history of our world. That is extremely possible. And i like majoras point about paradoxes, reminds me of a book i read, called the golden compass.

But how would we change the fabric of time? I dont know lol

[pizzaman]

Well, I don't mean to burst your bubble, but everyone travels in time. By the time I'm done writing this, I probably would a traveled a couple of minutes in time doing it. Get what I'm saying?

But, seriously, the only way to look back into the past, by what your saying, would be to go faster than the speed of light( Into space ) and look back at Earth with some kind of super telescope and see yourself on Earth. But of course, that's impossible, because there's no way someone could go at the speed of light.

P.S. The sun's "light" takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, so if it explodes, we would still see it for another 8 minutes after the explosion. So that sorta goes with your theory.

[Winston]

yes, but as you may have assumed, we would send out a robor or human controlled spacecraft years after this forum lol. which would then make it more possible.

[Winston]

The winston time relvancy thereom stands.

[Winston]

Does anyone else have any better ideas though? One much simpler? or any thing to add to mine

[pizzaman]

Well, just think about it. We can use worldly materials to create inventions, or to change other matter, but time is not made of anything. So it's virtually impossible to alter it.

The only "Real" time traveling that has been done was with some kind of satelite. It was orbiting something( I can't remember what, maybe a wormhole ) and the clock on it started to slow down. Which could mean that it was going faster then regular time goes. Either that or it had a broken clock, lol.

[Winston]

broken clock, distorted time perhaps.

[Winston]

no one knows exactly what a black hole can do but it has the power to absorb light, which is not anything at all

[Winston]

might i add einstiens theory where he folded a piece 0f paper i believe or ttached the two ends of a string (time) to form a loop

[pizzaman]

no one knows exactly what a black hole can do but it has the power to absorb light, which is not anything at all
Light might not be made of energy, so people can study it, but you can't really study time. I mean, just imagine how one person can somehow make a machine that transports him into another time. We haven't even made a teleporter, and probably won't for another 500 years!

But of course, there's a chance that it's possible, but we need to be a lot smarter than we are right now to figure it out.

[Winston]

we have created a teporter which moved light particles from one side to another is it safe to assume light haveing particles?? i mean is it a substance? no

[Winston]

unless it was dust particles...but i know they teleported something lol, and it only sent half of what was planned, but it was over a foots distance i believe

[Fierce Deity]

Sounds corny in a way for this part of the Forums. But I think its possible. I have my own theory. Since everything we see is simply a refelction from the object. Light bouncing off of whatever and hitting our eyes. Therefore everything we see is not what it actually looks like. But what if we could alter light or observe it from out in space or recently so it may be near the Earth.

We could view the history of the Earth by simply looking at light that has been refelcted of from the planet and is somewhere out in space. Now maybe this isnt time travel but my brother and I (who thought of it) thought this is very true. You wont get to GO back in time but you can see it and maybe alter it to change history?\

If you have any ideas or theories or think im a retard, which I may very well be lol Leave a post
Well, here's the thing, Anything you'd be seeing would be in the past. So, you couldn't use it to alter history, as what you'd be seeing would have already happened. Not to mention, that whatever it was you'd be trying to see, such as the light from Earth, is sky-rocketing away from you at the speed of light. To catch up with it, you'd have to be able to surpass the speed of light, which, only light can do. Were you to travel that fast, you'd lose consciousness, as your body'd be converted to energy.

So, let's say we're at a point a light-year from earth, and you get this light. It'd look like a star to you, because so much of it has refracted and bent, it probably wouldn't even be an accurate star. Not to mention, that, by the time you could get back to earth, the fastest time being a year, it'd have already been a bit over two years since the phenomenon that you witnessed happened.

To be close enough to be able to see anything of relevance from this light, you'd have to, well, be on Earth. And, what we call this phenomenon, is commonly known as eyesight, and people use it every day. Nice discovery. :p

no one knows exactly what a black hole can do but it has the power to absorb light, which is not anything at all
Who says no one knows? Do you know everyone, and know for a fact they don't? Besides black holes don't absorb light, colored things can do that. Black holes actually bend light, and pull it in with gravity. That isn't "not anything", that is something extraordinary.

might i add einstiens theory where he folded a piece 0f paper i believe or ttached the two ends of a string (time) to form a loop
As for the touching two ends of a piece of string, I believe you are thinking of a character from H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine", whose name escapes me at the moment. And, while the point is still valid, yes, you can do that with string, but, I'd like to see you pick up an end of time. Not to mention time is something, a measurement, and while only the flow of it is real, it is far from being a string.

People's emotions affect time, and their thoughts do, ever so slightly. So, if you learned specifically what you were doing, and delved deeply enough into metaphysics and telekinesis to learn how to, you COULD change the flow of time, but, you cannot travel in it. You could "travel" forward in time by speeding it up, but, that's as far as it goes. Once something has happened, it has happened, and if reversing time is the only way to undo something, then that something cannot be undone. It's a neat thing to think about though.

Time flies while you're having fun. It really does. But, in a portion of space relative to your location, returning to normal gradually as the displacement from you decreases.

Why do you want to be able to watch things form the past, anyways? Did you think there was some sort of device out in space, capturing all of this extra light?

[Fierce Deity]

Light might not be made of energy, so people can study it, but you can't really study time. I mean, just imagine how one person can somehow make a machine that transports him into another time. We haven't even made a teleporter, and probably won't for another 500 years!

But of course, there's a chance that it's possible, but we need to be a lot smarter than we are right now to figure it out.
Teleporting between different instances of space is actually possible, as you can just connect two points to make one, using the zero-point field as a type of worm-hole, sans the intense gravity, as far as I know.

we have created a teporter which moved light particles from one side to another is it safe to assume light haveing particles?? i mean is it a substance? no
The current theory on light states that light is made up of waves of photons, which, I guess can be called particles, kind of, but, not really.

unless it was dust particles...but i know they teleported something lol, and it only sent half of what was planned, but it was over a foots distance i believe
Really? I've never even heard of this? Where did this happen? Do you have the link to an article or something?

[Winston]

it was on the news here in canada on television

[Winston]

maybe last year dont quite recall but i know it happened im 93 percent sure

[Fierce Deity]

maybe last year dont quite recall but i know it happened im 93 percent sure
93...? That's such an odd number to pick. I've never even heard of that. Do you know any specifics? Anything I could try to do a search on, other than teleported dust...?

[pizzaman]

People's emotions affect time, and their thoughts do, ever so slightly. So, if you learned specifically what you were doing, and delved deeply enough into metaphysics and telekinesis to learn how to, you COULD change the flow of time, but, you cannot travel in it. You could "travel" forward in time by speeding it up, but, that's as far as it goes. Once something has happened, it has happened, and if reversing time is the only way to undo something, then that something cannot be undone. It's a neat thing to think about though.
How would telekinesis affect time? I understand the other stuff, but is telekinesis even real?

[Fierce Deity]

How would telekinesis affect time? I understand the other stuff, but is telekinesis even real?
Yes, it is. Also, the zero-point field is easy to mess around with, for reasons unknown to me. Since emotions can affect time, if you're an empath, you'll know what emotions feel like, and you can induce or emulate the right ones to do the right things, and magnify them to the point of ridiculousness to affect time flow. But, only the flow is anything real. Time itself is a concept we invented to better understand things.

As for affecting the zero-point field, if you're good, you can learn to move things great distances. And, if you're good enough, distances that would be extravagant to the point to make Winston's theory actually worth something, although, instead, you could just learn precognition or clairvoyance... but, it's cool either way. XD

And before you try refuting me, psychic abilities are very real and easy to learn, so long as you believe, and devote time into practice. If you are just going to say it all sounds stupid, I don't even want to hear it; it's not worth your breath, and you're not anyone to say something's not real just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes. I'm already convinced of one thing, and just because you have the wrong impression and are stuck on another doesn't mean you should try to impress your beliefs on another. Also, as another preemptive point, that is NOT what I'm doing, I'm just availing myself to impart knowledge if another party is willing to listen.

[chaos master]

Not sure if this was covered, but I was thinking, how do people think they can go back in history? History isn't recorded in time or anything, right? And the light reflected from the matter in that point in history, would have surely been bounced, scattered, and distorted too much from objects, dust, etc. to see it clearly. Amirite?

Does it work like, the light reflected from a point in history is like a save point in time, containing a visual of everything that happened in that instant? There's a lot of....stuff in space. So wouldnt that corrupt it before it could get too far away from Earth at all? And to see a moving picture of this point in the past (history) from afar (at which instant the Earth, being far away, is in the present), you would need a flawless, uninterrupted, unaltered feed of light from Earth, which has been traveling in a straight line for years on end through space at the speed of light with nothing getting in its way. I find that very improbable. Unless I'm overestimating the amount and density of 'stuff' in space that can distort light.

Do I have any idea of what I'm talking about?

[pizzaman]

Not sure if this was covered, but I was thinking, how do people think they can go back in history? History isn't recorded in time or anything, right? And the light reflected from the matter in that point in history, would have surely been bounced, scattered, and distorted too much from objects, dust, etc. to see it clearly. Amirite?

Does it work like, the light reflected from a point in history is like a save point in time, containing a visual of everything that happened in that instant? There's a lot of....stuff in space. So wouldnt that corrupt it before it could get too far away from Earth at all? And to see a moving picture of this point in the past (history) from afar (at which instant the Earth, being far away, is in the present), you would need a flawless, uninterrupted, unaltered feed of light from Earth, which has been traveling in a straight line for years on end through space at the speed of light with nothing getting in its way. I find that very improbable. Unless I'm overestimating the amount and density of 'stuff' in space that can distort light.

Do I have any idea of what I'm talking about?
Well I get what your saying. But think of it this way. If you were a lightyear away from the Earth, and you used a telescope to look at it, you would see events that happened a year ago.

When we use telescopes to look at other planets, I don't think that they look distorted.

[Fierce Deity]

Not sure if this was covered, but I was thinking, how do people think they can go back in history? History isn't recorded in time or anything, right? And the light reflected from the matter in that point in history, would have surely been bounced, scattered, and distorted too much from objects, dust, etc. to see it clearly. Amirite?

Does it work like, the light reflected from a point in history is like a save point in time, containing a visual of everything that happened in that instant? There's a lot of....stuff in space. So wouldnt that corrupt it before it could get too far away from Earth at all? And to see a moving picture of this point in the past (history) from afar (at which instant the Earth, being far away, is in the present), you would need a flawless, uninterrupted, unaltered feed of light from Earth, which has been traveling in a straight line for years on end through space at the speed of light with nothing getting in its way. I find that very improbable. Unless I'm overestimating the amount and density of 'stuff' in space that can distort light.

Do I have any idea of what I'm talking about?
You are correct. I don't know what kind of crazy telescope Pizzaman has that can see a lightyear away, but, whatever. XD

[Agent Smith]

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[PYRO_JUNKY]

um, you cant travle to the past because you would end up changing the past and things would get really confusing.

i belive you can travle to the future but once your there you cant get back.

[Majora_younglink]

um, you cant travle to the past because you would end up changing the past and things would get really confusing.

i belive you can travle to the future but once your there you cant get back.

Not necessarily. I mean in theory there could actually be several different timelines and you going back in time could just create another one. Though this is just my thought on the matter.

[PYRO_JUNKY]

but how do we know witch time line is real? and how do we know what we are experiencing right now is real? is it possible that we are all characters in our own, or possibly someone else's, dream like fantasy world?

[Majora_younglink]

but how do we know witch time line is real? and how do we know what we are experiencing right now is real? is it possible that we are all characters in our own, or possibly someone else's, dream like fantasy world?

All the timelines are real. There is no 'true' timeline. And we may in fact not be real but thats not the topic of discussion now is it? :p

[cherko]

Not necessarily. I mean in theory there could actually be several different timelines and you going back in time could just create another one. Though this is just my thought on the matter.

Hmm, the way I see it, time is a fourth dimension, and there can't be several fourth dimensions. Just like an object can exist in front of you or behind you, it can also exist in the past or the future.

[PYRO_JUNKY]

this post will self destruct in 5 secounds unless you go back in time and stop me from posting it.

[iceman_cool]

Hey guys, all your time theory is interesting. I personally feel tat there are other dimensions out there tat certainly is beyond human's comprehension. Bermuda Triangles etc is proof of tat. Btw, I'm new, just a small comment. :)

[cherko]

I think there's a highly sensible explanation to the Bermuda triangle, whatever that has with anything to do.

I don't think anyhing in this world is beyond human comprehension.

[Majora_younglink]

I think there's a highly sensible explanation to the Bermuda triangle, whatever that has with anything to do.

I don't think anyhing in this world is beyond human comprehension.

Then compare infinity to something. Other than Chuck Norris. XD

[fiReBirD]

Some believe Black holes hold this immense power...

[Majora_younglink]

Some believe Black holes hold this immense power...

But DOES it have that power? DOES it? I mean thats theoretical and so is infinity. Also black holes have yet to be proven. They're THOUGHT to be real.

[fiReBirD]

So far the theory on black holes is building about time... They say that if a man stood right in the middle of the black hole, everything would look like if you saw billions of years into past or future, (most likely past, since future hasn't happened yet) but if you'd look at the person in the black hole from the outside, you see an almost still standing person... still... who knows... I'm more interested in the Holes in the middle of the Holes in dark energy...

[anthonybest]

some said that if you have a powerful telescope you could look so far forward that you vision will bend and you will see yourself in the ahead in time?

i dont know who said it but it goes something like that if i ind the real words i'll psot them

[Klendathu]

some said that if you have a powerful telescope you could look so far forward that you vision will bend and you will see yourself in the ahead in time?

i dont know who said it but it goes something like that if i ind the real words i'll psot them

Even with a super telescope like you suggest it takes light millions of years to travel such distances. So you would not be looking into the future but the past.

[fiReBirD]

Imagine you found a giant mirror in space millions of lightyears away... We'd might be able to see the dinosaurs die...

[Klendathu]

Imagine you found a giant mirror in space millions of lightyears away... We'd might be able to see the dinosaurs die...

Good call. That would be really cool. Just think we may not see any life many light years away, but that doesn't mean there's no life there now.

[fiReBirD]

Remember... 1 lightyear = 1 year back through time due to light's speed, therefore if someone found a mirror 32,5 million lightyears away we'd, according to theory, see the death of dinosaurs... A kinda time travel...

[cherko]

Then compare infinity to something. Other than Chuck Norris. XD

I don't think infinity is that hard to comprehend. It's just terrifying.

[fiReBirD]

I don't think infinity is that hard to comprehend. It's just terrifying.
I agree... Infinity feels possible and then also impossible...

[cherko]

I agree... Infinity feels possible and then also impossible...

What's hard to understand is how anything can be. How whatever was before Big Bang could be, and how it could have came to be. To think that anything has been around forever, and always will be...

To think of time as a line that extends infinitely in two directions is kind of... Wouldn't it be easier to think of time as a circle?

[fiReBirD]

No, even though it would support a different "era"-theory... Once Every "era" the big bang occurs and everything happens all over again, and ill be typing this once more... However thats luckily only a chaos theory...

[Klendathu]

I didn't type this last tiime.

[fiReBirD]

What "last time" are you talking about...?

[Klendathu]

No, even though it would support a different "era"-theory... Once Every "era" the big bang occurs and everything happens all over again, and ill be typing this once more... However thats luckily only a chaos theory...

Referring to your post.

[fiReBirD]

Ahh that last time... How do you know if those "era"s Actually existed...?

[Klendathu]

How do you know that haven't happened yet?

[fiReBirD]

As said: it's a chaos theory... How can anyone know...?

[Majora_younglink]

I don't think infinity is that hard to comprehend. It's just terrifying.

Its not terrifying. Infinity is beyond all comprehension. There is NOTHING in the universe that compares to it and thus can't be understood by humans. We can say we understand it but if you were ever given an infinite amount of anything in the universe then and ONLY then might you comprehend it. I personally say people as a whole can understand the word but not its meaning.

[Systemeth]

If we truly understood the word then technically we would understand its meaning as well.

The chaos theory thing could coincide with a 'past life' sorta deal.

[Majora_younglink]

If we truly understood the word then technically we would understand its meaning as well.

The chaos theory thing could coincide with a 'past life' sorta deal.

I think understanding only comes when we can compare it to something real. Which I don't think is physically possible.

[cherko]

Its not terrifying. Infinity is beyond all comprehension. There is NOTHING in the universe that compares to it and thus can't be understood by humans. We can say we understand it but if you were ever given an infinite amount of anything in the universe then and ONLY then might you comprehend it. I personally say people as a whole can understand the word but not its meaning.

Let me explain infinity to you. Say you have a bottle of Coke. You drink it all, and still have everything left. That's infinite. Oh man that'd be awesome.

No, even though it would support a different "era"-theory... Once Every "era" the big bang occurs and everything happens all over again, and ill be typing this once more... However thats luckily only a chaos theory...

But... Isn't it so that after big bang, the universe expands, and then starts to shrink again, becomes compact, and then explodes again? So it's like a neverending circle, so it would make sense to use a timecircle rather than a timeline.

Also, I heard a weird theory that when the universe starts shrinking, time will flow backwards and everything will rewind. Then maybe it's not a timeline or a timecircle, but a time"U" on the side.

[Majora_younglink]

Let me explain infinity to you. Say you have a bottle of Coke. You drink it all, and still have everything left. That's infinite. Oh man that'd be awesome.


Actually wouldn't it be more like an overflowing coke? Actually it would be more.... Infinity couldn't be held in any space. Thus I say it can't be compared thus can't be comprehended.

[cherko]

Actually wouldn't it be more like an overflowing coke? Actually it would be more.... Infinity couldn't be held in any space. Thus I say it can't be compared thus can't be comprehended.

Come on, what about infinity is it that you cannot understand? Maybe you should think of it as an attribute rather than an amount.

[Majora_younglink]

Come on, what about infinity is it that you cannot understand? Maybe you should think of it as an attribute rather than an amount.

I can understand the word but not the meaning. This is figurative of course. I'm just trying to see if infinity can be compared to be anything real. I of course wasn't trying to make you look dumb but no one has ever explained anything infinity could be compared to.

[fiReBirD]

Its not terrifying. Infinity is beyond all comprehension. There is NOTHING in the universe that compares to it and thus can't be understood by humans. We can say we understand it but if you were ever given an infinite amount of anything in the universe then and ONLY then might you comprehend it. I personally say people as a whole can understand the word but not its meaning.
y=ax+b <== There is something to compare with...

[cherko]

I can understand the word but not the meaning. This is figurative of course. I'm just trying to see if infinity can be compared to be anything real. I of course wasn't trying to make you look dumb but no one has ever explained anything infinity could be compared to.

It's hard to compare because not many things are infinite. The dimensions (counting time as the fourth), and the multiverse I guess are infinite.

[fiReBirD]

What's hard to understand is how anything can be. How whatever was before Big Bang could be, and how it could have came to be. To think that anything has been around forever, and always will be...

To think of time as a line that extends infinitely in two directions is kind of... Wouldn't it be easier to think of time as a circle?

No, even though it would support a different "era"-theory... Once Every "era" the big bang occurs and everything happens all over again, and ill be typing this once more... However thats luckily only a chaos theory...
There is the CHAOS THEORY part...
I didn't type this last tiime.
Klendathu Denying it's proof, cuz it has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER...
Ahh that last time... How do you know if those "era"s Actually existed...?
My questioning this theory...
How do you know that haven't happened yet?
I don't... Look below...
As said: it's a chaos theory... How can anyone know...?
Selfexplanatory...
Its not terrifying. Infinity is beyond all comprehension. There is NOTHING in the universe that compares to it and thus can't be understood by humans. We can say we understand it but if you were ever given an infinite amount of anything in the universe then and ONLY then might you comprehend it. I personally say people as a whole can understand the word but not its meaning.
It's comprehendable allright...
If we truly understood the word then technically we would understand its meaning as well.

The chaos theory thing could coincide with a 'past life' sorta deal.
Blending with reincarnation... Couldn't agree more...
I think understanding only comes when we can compare it to something real. Which I don't think is physically possible.
Infinity is what we make of it...
Let me explain infinity to you. Say you have a bottle of Coke. You drink it all, and still have everything left. That's infinite. Oh man that'd be awesome.



But... Isn't it so that after big bang, the universe expands, and then starts to shrink again, becomes compact, and then explodes again? So it's like a neverending circle, so it would make sense to use a timecircle rather than a timeline.

Also, I heard a weird theory that when the universe starts shrinking, time will flow backwards and everything will rewind. Then maybe it's not a timeline or a timecircle, but a time"U" on the side.
In this theory it's a circle... It' says that everything repeats itself every "era"
Actually wouldn't it be more like an overflowing coke? Actually it would be more.... Infinity couldn't be held in any space. Thus I say it can't be compared thus can't be comprehended.
A matter of wiev...
Come on, what about infinity is it that you cannot understand? Maybe you should think of it as an attribute rather than an amount.
It's not an amount nor an attribute... It's what we think it is... I think it's a mathematical resource, but then again you have your views i have mine...
I can understand the word but not the meaning. This is figurative of course. I'm just trying to see if infinity can be compared to be anything real. I of course wasn't trying to make you look dumb but no one has ever explained anything infinity could be compared to.
That's your view... I've said mine.... Cherko said his... Lets begin cocluding... I'll start... Is infinity bound to repeat itself...?

[cherko]

On an infinite time scale, everything will repeat itself. There are only so many different things that can possibly happen.

[fiReBirD]

Yes, of course it will... Might not be the exactly same way, but still something likewise is bound to happen... But will there be a new mother of time after every coming Big Bang or will the sun fade out...?

[Majora_younglink]

Actually infinity can't repeat itself. Infinity is non ending/non-repeating. I don't see the point of trying to say its 'my opinion" when you have yet to explain anything to me without perfect precision.

I can discuss a point as much as I want. You can't silence me!

*gets banned*

XD

[fiReBirD]

No one can precisely say anything about time, space and existence 'cept its there...

[Majora_younglink]

No one can precisely say anything about time, space and existence 'cept its there...

Thats true. Well except maybe existence. Existence is relative.

[fiReBirD]

Still it does exist doesn't it therefore it's there...

[Majora_younglink]

Still it does exist doesn't it therefore it's there...

It is there but existence itself is relative. I mean can we honestly say everything we see and hear IS real? I mean we think dream are real but are they real? They usually feel real.

[fiReBirD]

They do, yes... But who knows, we might live two lives, our physical and our spiritual...

[cherko]

Actually infinity can't repeat itself. Infinity is non ending/non-repeating. I don't see the point of trying to say its 'my opinion" when you have yet to explain anything to me without perfect precision.

I can discuss a point as much as I want. You can't silence me!

*gets banned*

XD

Say a sequence of events happen. On an infinite time scale, that specific sequence will repeat again, eventually.

[fiReBirD]

Just a matter of time... But what IS time...? Not just "i go to school tomorrow at 8.00 AM...

[cherko]

Time is the fourth dimension.

[fiReBirD]

Define Dimension... If you can't define the defination of dimension then you can't define time...

[Systemeth]

In terms of 'real' I think Shion said it best:


There is no difference between reality and illusion to the one experiencing it.

[fiReBirD]

In terms of 'real' I think Shion said it best:
Thats awfully correct...

[cherko]

There is no difference between reality and illusion to the one experiencing it.

That's my opinion too. I don't know who the heck this Shion guy is, but I came to that conclusion on my own, dammit.

I guess you could say that life is an illiusion, or I guess I could say that, but not in a Matrix-kind of way. I believe the world is cold and dead and that life is an illiusion - but we're experiencing it, so it's as real to us as anything.

[Systemeth]

Shion's a girl.

And I've came to that conclusion meself just worded slightly differently.


Thats awfully correct...


Something wrong with that?

[fiReBirD]

No i loved the quote...

[Iconoclast]

Time is not a channel. Light has nothing to do with time. Time is only a name for the most simplified feeling: The feeling of animation. Complicating things down to unknown components, such as black holes, is only naive. Chanceably, it is possible that these black holes are portals in the dimension of time, but guessing a particular probability is not much of an explanation.

P.S. The sun's "light" takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, [...].

8 hours.

[Klendathu]

Time is not a channel. Light has nothing to do with time. Time is only a name for the most simplified feeling: The feeling of animation. Complicating things down to unknown components, such as black holes, is only naive. Chanceably, it is possible that these black holes are portals in the dimension of time, but guessing a particular probability is not much of an explanation.



8 hours.

It takes light from the sun 8.4 minutes to reach earth.

[fiReBirD]

Time is not a channel. Light has nothing to do with time. Time is only a name for the most simplified feeling: The feeling of animation. Complicating things down to unknown components, such as black holes, is only naive. Chanceably, it is possible that these black holes are portals in the dimension of time, but guessing a particular probability is not much of an explanation.



8 hours.
Light is what makes time seeable...

EDIT: BTW if the suns light got here in 8 hours "Earth" would have turned too much for parts of the globe even to be infused with it...

[cherko]

We can see time? How?

Think of Mario or some other dude in a 2D platformer. He can only look up, down, left or right. He cannot look at the screen. He can only see the 2 dimensions.

Time is the same to us as the third dimension is to Mario in his older games. Maybe some philosophers over there in Mushroom Kingdom thought that there may be a third dimension, but they cannot see it. Just like we cannot see time.

[fiReBirD]

We can see time? How?

Think of Mario or some other dude in a 2D platformer. He can only look up, down, left or right. He cannot look at the screen. He can only see the 2 dimensions.

Time is the same to us as the third dimension is to Mario in his older games. Maybe some philosophers over there in Mushroom Kingdom thought that there may be a third dimension, but they cannot see it. Just like we cannot see time.
Look at your hand... Now wave it around... FAST... See the blur...? That's our eye's way of taking in light and converting it to images in our head... As everything takes time, so does looking...
Point is if time stopped nothing would move because light doesn't project through our eyes and you won't be able to move your body therefore ==> Light*Existence=Time... They're inseperable...
This makes timetravel impossible, cuz every molecule in our body would in theory have to be parted millions of times before timetravel is a possibility, because by doing that, existence is removed from the equasion and therefore making us able to travel faster than the speed of light, but in the process we'd die...

[Majora_younglink]

Light is what makes time seeable...

EDIT: BTW if the suns light got here in 8 hours "Earth" would have turned too much for parts of the globe even to be infused with it...

Wrong. Think about it for a second. Light is always going from the sun to our planet, so even if it took 8 hours to get to our planet the rays sent 8 hours ago would already be at our planet. Thats also why stars continue to shine years and years after they have already 'died'.

[fiReBirD]

Wrong. Think about it for a second. Light is always going from the sun to our planet, so even if it took 8 hours to get to our planet the rays sent 8 hours ago would already be at our planet. Thats also why stars continue to shine years and years after they have already 'died'.
No... The reason why we see stars after they're "dead" is because of the speed of light... If light traveled in an instant, we would see their "deaths" instantly... Thats why they made the measure "lightyear" because thats the distance light moves a year... And also it takes the suns light 8,4 minutes to reach earth...

[Majora_younglink]

No... The reason why we see stars after they're "dead" is because of the speed of light... If light traveled in an instant, we would see their "deaths" instantly... Thats why they made the measure "lightyear" because thats the distance light moves a year... And also it takes the suns light 8,4 minutes to reach earth...

Once again how is that relevant? The time between the last ray and the time it takes to reach is still the main reason why this occurs. Kind of like universal lag. XD

[Carlrt]

The Faster you move the slower time goes FACT
i watched some show, from the makers of Stargate I think it was called Stranger than fiction adn they said if someone moves fast enough time slows around them!

[fiReBirD]

Once again how is that relevant? The time between the last ray and the time it takes to reach is still the main reason why this occurs. Kind of like universal lag. XD
Ok... I see your point... But still, my theory is in place... If there was a gigantic mirror in space 32,5 millions lightyears away we'd be able to see the dinosaurs die if the mirror has the right angle...

[fiReBirD]

The Faster you move the slower time goes FACT
i watched some show, from the makers of Stargate I think it was called Stranger than fiction adn they said if someone moves fast enough time slows around them!
Meaning moving faster than light I believe...

[Majora_younglink]

Ok... I see your point... But still, my theory is in place... If there was a gigantic mirror in space 32,5 millions lightyears away we'd be able to see the dinosaurs die if the mirror has the right angle...

Maybe but once again this is a theory. Also its not guaranteed that the time we'd be able to see would be comprehendable by people.

[fiReBirD]

Maybe but once again this is a theory. Also its not guaranteed that the time we'd be able to see would be comprehendable by people.
Sure it is... We can measure VERY long distances into space... FX. the galaxy with the diamond sun, It's somewhere around 3 or 4 Billion lightyears away as far as i recall...

[Majora_younglink]

Sure it is... We can measure VERY long distances into space... FX. the galaxy with the diamond sun, It's somewhere around 3 or 4 Billion lightyears away as far as i recall...

No, what I meant was that I'm not sure if we'd be able to make sense of what we saw. I mean it is getting distorted as it goes farther into space. Like a shadow and a flashlight, the further it is from the source the more distorted the image.

[Iconoclast]

Light is what makes time seeable...

EDIT: BTW if the suns light got here in 8 hours "Earth" would have turned too much for parts of the globe even to be infused with it...

The time to reach Earth doesn't matter as to whether the light will strike Earth eventually, and, if it did, you're only saying the way the Earth revolves would cause blackouts in sunlight today.

You can't see time. When you wave your hand and see motion blur because of the ecstacy you may be on (crack could also do it), you are seeing motion, not time. There is a small difference, but, if it's one of the many things they have in common, it's the obvious impossibility to rewind back through either. It is a complete contradiction to chemistry and just shows that almost everyone in this thread is a group of monkeys and cavemen who think they know more than scientists today.

This thread is nothing but arrogance: Thinking you're better than someone who has actually researched a particular area, throughout a good percentage of their lives. Go back to First Grade, people.

[Majora_younglink]

This thread is nothing but arrogance: Thinking you're better than someone who has actually researched a particular area, throughout a good percentage of their lives. Go back to First Grade, people.

So? People can spend all their life on a subject and learn nothing new or 'learn' false theories. Just because you want to stick to what you consider facts doesn't mean we have to. This is all our thoughts and theories. If you don't like it so be it but don't flame others because of what they think.

[Iconoclast]

Was I flaming you? Yes? You don't like realizing your own problems? Deal with it.

I didn't say you all had to agree with me. You can make all the assumptions you want as if I'm trying to hypnotize you guys over to my side, all I said is both of you are First Graders.

You can't just theorize that magic exists without any research whatsoever. That's not a theory; that's a child's assumption.

[fiReBirD]

The time to reach Earth doesn't matter as to whether the light will strike Earth eventually, and, if it did, you're only saying the way the Earth revolves would cause blackouts in sunlight today.

You can't see time. When you wave your hand and see motion blur because of the ecstacy you may be on (crack could also do it), you are seeing motion, not time. There is a small difference, but, if it's one of the many things they have in common, it's the obvious impossibility to rewind back through either. It is a complete contradiction to chemistry and just shows that almost everyone in this thread is a group of monkeys and cavemen who think they know more than scientists today.

This thread is nothing but arrogance: Thinking you're better than someone who has actually researched a particular area, throughout a good percentage of their lives. Go back to First Grade, people.
Excuse me are you calling me a drug addict...? F**K YOU...!!! I ONCE smoked marijuana, ONE joint... I got so freaking paranoid that my friends would tip me off for possesion if it happened again so CUT THE FREAKING BULL****...!!!!!

[Klendathu]

Ok... I see your point... But still, my theory is in place... If there was a gigantic mirror in space 32,5 millions lightyears away we'd be able to see the dinosaurs die if the mirror has the right angle...

The light reflected in the mirror would still have to travel to the mirror and back.

[Klendathu]

The time to reach Earth doesn't matter as to whether the light will strike Earth eventually, and, if it did, you're only saying the way the Earth revolves would cause blackouts in sunlight today.

You can't see time. When you wave your hand and see motion blur because of the ecstacy you may be on (crack could also do it), you are seeing motion, not time. There is a small difference, but, if it's one of the many things they have in common, it's the obvious impossibility to rewind back through either. It is a complete contradiction to chemistry and just shows that almost everyone in this thread is a group of monkeys and cavemen who think they know more than scientists today.

This thread is nothing but arrogance: Thinking you're better than someone who has actually researched a particular area, throughout a good percentage of their lives. Go back to First Grade, people.

I think the discussion was going just fine. That is until you came in here to call names.

[fiReBirD]

The light reflected in the mirror would still have to travel to the mirror and back.
Yes... The dinosaurs was said to have died 65 million years ago...

[fiReBirD]

I think the discussion was going just fine. That is until you came in here to call names.
He called me a drug addict in other words...

[DarkWizard_PitchBlackX]

I don't know if I've shared my theory with you or not. (I don't care.) Either way, here goes...I think that just like us, atoms remember where they've been. So, I propose that if you had enough energy to make them go back to where they were at a certain point in time that you could in a way go back in time. (Just so you know, Mental retardation isn't a disease. It's a blessing. So If I'm retarded that means you can't make me feel bad because that would make you a terrible person.)

[cherko]

Another thing about atoms, though maybe not much too related to time travel, just something I feel like saying.
As far as I know, an atom cannot just cease to exist. When you die, the atoms return to the earth, I guess. Since an atom doesn't cease to exist like that, wouldn't we all be immortal?

Also, why the heck am I on your list of people you happen to like, DarkWizard_PitchBlackX? Besides bothering typing your full nickname, which is kind of unneccessarily long, I don't think I've ever done anything for anyone.

[DarkWizard_PitchBlackX]

Another thing about atoms, though maybe not much too related to time travel, just something I feel like saying.
As far as I know, an atom cannot just cease to exist. When you die, the atoms return to the earth, I guess. Since an atom doesn't cease to exist like that, wouldn't we all be immortal?

Also, why the heck am I on your list of people you happen to like, DarkWizard_PitchBlackX? Besides bothering typing your full nickname, which is kind of unneccessarily long, I don't think I've ever done anything for anyone.

It's 'cause your funny.

[fiReBirD]

Look at your hand... Now wave it around... FAST... See the blur...? That's our eye's way of taking in light and converting it to images in our head... As everything takes time, so does looking...
Point is if time stopped nothing would move because light doesn't project through our eyes and you won't be able to move your body therefore ==> Light*Existence=Time... They're inseperable...
This makes timetravel impossible, cuz every molecule in our body would in theory have to be parted millions of times before timetravel is a possibility, because by doing that, existence is removed from the equasion and therefore making us able to travel faster than the speed of light, but in the process we'd die...
I don't know if I've shared my theory with you or not. (I don't care.) Either way, here goes...I think that just like us, atoms remember where they've been. So, I propose that if you had enough energy to make them go back to where they were at a certain point in time that you could in a way go back in time. (Just so you know, Mental retardation isn't a disease. It's a blessing. So If I'm retarded that means you can't make me feel bad because that would make you a terrible person.)
You actually back my theory up a bit... but still different views different opinions...

[DarkWizard_PitchBlackX]

You actually back my theory up a bit... but still different views different opinions...

Well, You're welcome?

[fiReBirD]

Well, You're welcome?
I've never really posted with you... But already you amaze me... Mother of the RI, i pledge my allegiance to you...

[DarkWizard_PitchBlackX]

I've never really posted with you... But already you amaze me... Mother of the RI, i pledge my allegiance to you...

Wow. You're officially on my top 10 list. (Which means I'll have to bump Jesus...)

[fiReBirD]

Wow. You're officially on my top 10 list. (Which means I'll have to bump Jesus...)
Thank you... Right back at you, i would say...

[Iconoclast]

Excuse me are you calling me a drug addict...? F**K YOU...!!! I ONCE smoked marijuana, ONE joint... I got so freaking paranoid that my friends would tip me off for possesion if it happened again so CUT THE FREAKING BULL****...!!!!!

Not really; I'm just saying, motion blur of moving your hand is a drug effect XD. I'm waving my hand right now, and I don't see anything like that.

I think the discussion was going just fine. That is until you came in here to call names.

I didn't call anyone names; you know that. Why so oversensitive? ;)

[fiReBirD]

The time to reach Earth doesn't matter as to whether the light will strike Earth eventually, and, if it did, you're only saying the way the Earth revolves would cause blackouts in sunlight today.

You can't see time. When you wave your hand and see motion blur because of the ecstacy you may be on (crack could also do it), you are seeing motion, not time. There is a small difference, but, if it's one of the many things they have in common, it's the obvious impossibility to rewind back through either. It is a complete contradiction to chemistry and just shows that almost everyone in this thread is a group of monkeys and cavemen who think they know more than scientists today.

This thread is nothing but arrogance: Thinking you're better than someone who has actually researched a particular area, throughout a good percentage of their lives. Go back to First Grade, people.
Actually you did... And there you indirectly referred to me...

[Iconoclast]

'monkey' and 'caveman' are not "names"; they're what some people like to be....

And yes, it looks like that, but it isn't. ;) It was kind of more of a text book tone, but yeah, I get what you mean.

[fiReBirD]

'monkey' and 'caveman' are not "names"; they're what some people like to be....

And yes, it looks like that, but it isn't. ;) It was kind of more of a text book tone, but yeah, I get what you mean.
Let's just call this a misunderstanding then... agreed...?

[DarkWizard_PitchBlackX]

Captain's log, stardate- Saturday night. 8:00 Good for you?

[Systemeth]

Here's a thought.

If you were traveling faster than the speed of light, you would be rendered invisible.



Sidenote: This made me laugh:

Biography:
I am a nymphomaniac. And CD doesn't like that.

[cherko]

Well, no... You wouldn't be invisible, it would just look like you were somewhere else.

Holy crap, DarkWizard_PitchBlackX is the mother of Random Info. I didn't realize. I didn't for a second consider that it may have been someone other than chaos master.

[fiReBirD]

Well, no... You wouldn't be invisible, it would just look like you were somewhere else.

Holy crap, DarkWizard_PitchBlackX is the mother of Random Info. I didn't realize. I didn't for a second consider that it may have been someone other than chaos master.
She is... But anyways... In short we'd be invisible... The eye cannot see the velocity... Therefore it backs up my theory... If you travel faster than light, is time travel then possible...

[Majora_younglink]

She is... But anyways... In short we'd be invisible... The eye cannot see the velocity... Therefore it backs up my theory... If you travel faster than light, is time travel then possible...

Hows that? Time is in no way related to light.

[fiReBirD]

Hows that? Time is in no way related to light.
How do you know...?

[Majora_younglink]

How do you know...?

Alright how is it related then? Explain it to me as you've been acting as they were for a long time and haven't explained how.

[fiReBirD]

Alright how is it related then? Explain it to me as you've been acting as they were for a long time and haven't explained how.
All we see is light... If there wasn't any light then what would happen...? BTW I've said they were inseperable with the equation Light*Existence=Time...

[Majora_younglink]

All we see is light... If there wasn't any light then what would happen...? BTW I've said they were inseperable with the equation Light*Existence=Time...

That doesn't make much sense. The Universe is full of COMPLETE darkness and yet it still exists. Some parts have never experienced light.

[fiReBirD]

That doesn't make much sense. The Universe is full of COMPLETE darkness and yet it still exists. Some parts have never experienced light.
Light makes us able to see existence...

[Majora_younglink]

Light makes us able to see existence...

Not really. Some animals can't see and they know they exist and live.

[fiReBirD]

Not really. Some animals can't see and they know they exist and live.
Those animals has another sense of building an image... Bats use supersonic waves...

[Iconoclast]

What Majora said. "Time is in no way related to light."

Time is a dimension, perhaps the fourth. Light is not even chemical; it is energy.

And the objects around us cannot be seen, only the light they reflect. If an object is black, then it absorbs all light. If an object is white, then it reflects all light, so, all we see is light. You can see time as much as you can see the first three dimensions: Length, width, and depth. You can apply light in way to change such dimensions. Examing a more complex dimension, however, such as light, doesn't make things more possible.

[Systemeth]

Besides the obvious time travelling everyone is doing right now, you couldn't time travel by going faster than light.

[fiReBirD]

What Majora said. "Time is in no way related to light."

Time is a dimension, perhaps the fourth. Light is not even chemical; it is energy.

And the objects around us cannot be seen, only the light they reflect. If an object is black, then it absorbs all light. If an object is white, then it reflects all light, so, all we see is light. You can see time as much as you can see the first three dimensions: Length, width, and depth. You can apply light in way to change such dimensions. Examing a more complex dimension, however, such as light, doesn't make things more possible.
Wrong... Light is waves... And what if some thing traveled faster than light...? would it be seeable...?

[Iconoclast]

Waves are energy. You should take a Physical Science: Energy course. They discuss a lot about waves. You ever heard of the phrase "light energy"?

And yes, it would most-likely be visible without further specification. There are, however, things that move slowly but cannot be seen, so, like you have brought up just now, speed is irrelevant to visibility. Therefore, this states nothing on the visibility of time.

[fiReBirD]

Waves are energy. You should take a Physical Science: Energy course. They discuss a lot about waves. You ever heard of the phrase "light energy"?

And yes, it would most-likely be visible without further specification. There are, however, things that move slowly but cannot be seen, so, like you have brought up just now, speed is irrelevant to visibility. Therefore, this states nothing on the visibility of time.
So basically you say that nuclear sends radioactivity in every direction even though the staff at the powerplants don't die because they work there...

[Iconoclast]

Sorry, I didn't understand a word you wrote.

We were on about light, right?

[Fierce Deity]

All we see is light... If there wasn't any light then what would happen...? BTW I've said they were inseperable with the equation Light*Existence=Time...
A tree that falls in the dark still falls.

Besides the obvious time travelling everyone is doing right now, you couldn't time travel by going faster than light.
No, you'd convert to energy, and likely separate your consciousness from your body, since your body is no longer capable of housing your consciousness. If anybody has any questions on what is right, just ask me. I'll explain it. :p

[Systemeth]

No, you'd convert to energy, and likely separate your consciousness from your body, since your body is no longer capable of housing your consciousness. If anybody has any questions on what is right, just ask me. I'll explain it.

So you're saying you COULD time travel by going faster than light?
Cuz, if you noticed, I said you couldn't.

[Pouso-G]

A tree that falls in the dark still falls.
A tree that falls, heard by nobody still makes a noise. This proves the theory of the waveform.

Another fact of light being energy is a magnifying glass. Take it in the right positin and burn a piece of paper. What if you could build a "Light-Recording-Device" around earth. You could see what happened in the past, but still don't change it.

Correct me, if I'm wrong...

[Brown Yoshi]

I don't think it is a retarded theory, but i don't believe in alot of crazy science fiction stuff, I don't believe in aliens (I believe in other humans on different planets), I don't believe in ghosts (I do spirits, not ghosts, there is difference)
Etc Etc Etc i don't believe that we will ever master time like that, if we did, BAD THINGS WOULD HAPPEN! Lets say i go into the past, i would mess up the future badly, and if i went into the future, i couldent go back because i would mess up the future i went to, also basicly we are going in time, just the way god made time, we keep going forward, all our actions change the future, but, we can't go back, I believe it is completely impossible to go back, if we could, we could go back even before ANYTHING existed if we did that, we would most likely change the future to where nothing excisted! see? we should just go the way we were made to! forward, not backward, not stopped, just forward, think about it, oh and it is a theory that going the speed of light will make you go into the future, but the outcome is, You turn into energy but one of the laws of light makes it so NO OBJECT CAN GO THAT SPEED! it is completly impossible!

[Pouso-G]

...the way god made time...
Who is this god guy, you're talking about??

*All beleving christians ignore this message*

[fiReBirD]

I'd like to know too... Is it/he/she/they edible...?

[DarkWizard_PitchBlackX]

This is fun. I enjoy this thread. However all that crap is bull crap. 'Cuz Chuck Norris is the only one who can time travel. (By flying around the world backwards. Dur.) So light, energy, radiation, waves, and all that other scientific mumbo-jumbo is totally retarded.:p

[Klendathu]

This is fun. I enjoy this thread. However all that crap is bull crap. 'Cuz Chuck Norris is the only one who can time travel. (By flying around the world backwards. Dur.) So light, energy, radiation, waves, and all that other scientific mumbo-jumbo is totally retarded.:p

Have you seen Chuck lately? He doesn't need to time travel, he needs the fountain of youth.

[fiReBirD]

What he said...

[Winston]

PEOPLE STILL POST ON THIS!
Amazing...
Wel lto continue on my first theory. According to Quantam Physics everything is stil lattached in this world. They too split a molecule I believe and they zapped one half, which was a meter apart from the other and the other half felt the same effects. So somehow we are stil lall virtually conncected to one another are we not?

Now this may have nothing to do with time travel but, if we somehow joined oldeer particles together could we not bring up what may have been the past?

[Winston]

We can speed up time and slow down it maybe, and view our past, but in no way alter it and thats probably as far as we'kk ever go in depth as in a means to alter time.

Unless someone pulls off a superman saving Lois act. Hmm? Anyone lol?

(thats for anyone who saw the old school superman movies)

And I'm still in awe i made this controversial threas lol that has 15 pages? Sweet.

Yeah and you guys kind of trailed off from my original point too, infinity and eras? and bla bla bla? Geez. lol

You know, black holes is something that sohuld be brought up again. They are infinetely quesitonable, to what they can do. Other than the fact its a collapsing star, there might be more to it in the long run.

[Crazed Dragon]

...I merged your post, cause so many with out replies to them was unnecessary, you could of simply edit your post to add what you needed to say, or at least wait a few hours before posting again

[Holland Guy]

i hate it when people rapidly post >.>

[Winston]

lol I just want to get my idea out, and as i was going between different threads i kept saying other things as I returned to this one lol sorry if its SOOOOO bad I rapidly post, but I do the same thing on msn, so im pretty used to doing this

[Crazed Dragon]

lol I just want to get my idea out, and as i was going between different threads i kept saying other things as I returned to this one lol sorry if its SOOOOO bad I rapidly post, but I do the same thing on msn, so im pretty used to doing this

This isn't MSN though, thusly should not be treat so

[Winston]

wow i didnt notice. thanks for telling me. **** do you rhink i dont know im on a forum lol.

[Crazed Dragon]

wow i didnt notice. thanks for telling me. **** do you rhink i dont know im on a forum lol.

with your last post, yes. yes I do cause you made it seem like they were the same

[Winston]

lol whatever

[Iconoclast]

Sorry, dude, but, Catholicism and science--at least this particular area--are a bad mix. :D That's all I got to write here.

[Klendathu]

Sorry, dude, but, Catholicism and science--at least this particular area--are a bad mix. :D That's all I got to write here.

Well getting rid of the Catholicism would be a good start.

[Iconoclast]

I'll say.

PEOPLE STILL POST ON THIS!
Amazing...
Wel lto continue on my first theory. According to Quantam Physics everything is stil lattached in this world. They too split a molecule I believe and they zapped one half, which was a meter apart from the other and the other half felt the same effects. So somehow we are stil lall virtually conncected to one another are we not?

Now this may have nothing to do with time travel but, if we somehow joined oldeer particles together could we not bring up what may have been the past?

Splitting molecules is breaking electron relations; traveling between time is not. :D So, yeah, you guessed it.

Particles don't really symbolize, chemically, the past. They're just matter. Time is not. Time is insummonable, a simple thing about nature to understand.

[Holland Guy]

time might not even exist...

[Iconoclast]

XD well let's not bring the whole idea/argument of skepticism in here now.

[Winston]

Yeah...Well i dont know, we really only clasify time as lets sat one revolution aorund the sun for example. Thats not really time though...It just "happens". Time is just a word we use to explain what "just happens"....kind of lol

[PYRO_JUNKY]

E=mc2

not sure what that means but that compleatly proves and disproves both sides of the argument so i win.

[Holland Guy]

Yeah...Well i dont know, we really only clasify time as lets sat one revolution aorund the sun for example. Thats not really time though...It just "happens". Time is just a word we use to explain what "just happens"....kind of lol

um...does that mean my statement was possibly correct?

[Winston]

Id assume so

[Doregushin]

E=mc2

not sure what that means but that compleatly proves and disproves both sides of the argument so i win.

Wrong, that is the way to figure out how much force is in an atomic bomb explosion.

[Winston]

Not enitrely though..And im not even sure that is correct unless you have something to back it up...does the E not stand for energy? Thus capable to be inputed in to many equations?

[kaosdeity]

Ever seen the movie Deja Vu, Winston?
No I don't know if you could travel through time but you can see back in time with a telescope or when you look at a star in general you are looking at light that left it thousands of years ago so a theory is that of you could look through a telescope past the forming of the universe you could look at the one that existed before it.
...I know what I'm trying to say but dunno how to say it:mad2:

[Winston]

I can kind of make out what your trying to say. And no i have not seen the movie dejz vu. Only trailers haha. Well through many posts its been pretty much decided that viewing the past can be done. But actually going there can't.

But really who is to say if it can or cannot be done. The first point of being able to see the past is a very plausable one ( with the right equipment of course ). But I haven't seen anyone actually TRULY dissprove anyway of travelling or altering the past in anyway possible.

[1Marko1]

Time travel is kool and i would use it many times to go back andd get my tests A+++

[headspin]

O.k. heres the thing, i haven't read most of the posts up to this point because honestly there are too many and they are probably all the same.

First off i hate to burst your bubble but this isn't your theory, it is a very widespread concept and usually the first thing people think of the second they learn that there is a speed to light. Here are the problems.

1. Impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. we know this.
2. sure we can look into the past at our earth if we were to do so,
we are looking into the past every time we look at anything honestly. even when u look at your hand it takes time for the light to bounce off your own hand and hit your eye and register in your brain. More apparent "time travel" is when u simply look up at the stars. I believe someone already said the suns light takes 8 minutes to reach us, very true.

Now it still is possible to do this, but not by traveling faster than the speed of light (impossible) . Some say we may be able to get from one end of space to another by simply bending / tearing the fabric of space-time. Many have heard the explanation that goes something like this: draw 2 dots on each end of a piece of paper, whats the fastest way to travel from dot to dot? a straight line you man say? no. they fastest way is to bend the paper so that both dots overlay each other.

So if it is possible to travel through space in this manner than yes it is possible to look back in time at our earth. If we travel far enough out in space we could learn much about our early planet / solar system as well as the development of life on our planet.

hopefully this helps you / any other readers. Some of this information is debatable because when I say it is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light...this is what is believed at this point, but less than a century ago we still believed our galaxy was the extent of our universe. so "impossible" when it comes to space, is a very loose term.

[Winston]

Wow, you made an account probably to try and just correct anything you saw. And obviously the abililty to go faster than the speed of light is very capable.

I'd like to see you disproove it. And im not some lame Trek Fan haha. This theory was thought up by by myself yes. And probably has been thought of by many other people but I decided to post my thoughts on the forum.

By the way, your number two point just prooves what i said was correct, so if, IF, you were trying to proove me wrong. Well, your pretty bad at it.

[kaosdeity]

Bending the universe and "warping" may be possible, but I have never heard of travelling faster than the speed of light.

[Winston]

Of Course Not! I don't think I have to remind anhybody of what year this is or the technological point we're at. But look throughout history, every century, for example, we have advanced phenomally. From Walking, say 2 miles per hour, to say 1000 miles per hour, by plane. 10 000 mp/h in space rotating around the earth.

Who's to say what comes in our future? Maybe your right. But one day I believe we will acheive speeds faster or equal to the speed of light itself. now I forget who said it. But a famous manonce said " Anything, Is Possible".

[kaosdeity]

The problem is, you can't pick and choose the laws of physics. They come as a bundle; once one is disproven, they ALL become invalid because they revolve around each other. If the speed of light laws are wrong, we will pretty much have to start from scratch.

[Winston]

There you go. If he's right i'm right. Which makes anyone who challenged any of my thoughts...or at least quite a few of them, your wrong lol.

So, anyone dare dissproove him?

[kaosdeity]

We can't disprove anything, nor can we prove anything. That is why the subject is so debatable.

[Winston]

Isn't it great? Thats what makes it so much fun.
I just like to imagine if it were all possible. To see what the world looked like. To see what mars looked like? thats a whole other planet to explore if we could see its past. Anyways im just blabbering now.

Hey, we could see were any bombs or planes were originally flown from. *HINT*

[Wicked_Will]

Well, here's my 2 cents on the whole thing.

Technically, whenever we look at the stars we're pretty much time travelling back to the way it looked thousands, if not tens of thousands of years ago, due to the fact that it's so far away, it takes light thousands and thousands of years to reach earth. Meaning that Time travel, in a sense, is real.

However, Time travel in the way that people usually perceive it, as in actually moving back (or forward) to a different point in time, is in my opinion, completely bogus. First of all, there's pretty much no way to go forward in time, as it hasn't happened yet. So that's just... no. And moving back in time isn't much better. There's just no way you can go back to a point in time that has already happened. Doing so would not only cause waaay too many problems for the present, but just the thought of it is mind-blowing. If it IS possible, which I'm not saying it is, there's next to zero chance of us actually being able to harness such a thing.

[Darth Gazak]

Oh no, you guys have just gone and woken the physicist inside me (he's been sleeping in class lately)

1)

Imagine two people, each one with a clock. The first person (A) is standing still relative to Earth. The second (B) is on a train moving by the first person at velocity v. The time for person B to pass person A (enter and subsequently leave their scope of vision)

Time dilation and time travel are different things. Time dilation follows the formula http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/b/f/7bf30aeb0489a7467bc8fcd2660dae57.png

Where t' = time dilation (speed up or slow down of time varying with relative velocity)
Delta t (triangle t) = change in realtime (measurable on person As clock)
v = relative velocity of person B
c = speed of light

As you can see, as v increases t' increases, which means that time slows there is time dilation between persons A and B. In practise, A would observe B's clock running slower.

For a small value of v (anything rational) v^2/c^2 = ~0 meaning there is very little time dilation, as t'/t=1, not noticeable.

So: We can slow down time for an observer

2)

Imagine the train moves so fast, that person B approaches speed of light (c). As v approaches c, v^2/c^2=1. Refer to the formula, to see that this would make the fractal denominator (root(1-1)), effectively 0.

This would make t'=t/0

Spot the curiosity? Division by zero, not good. This proves that theretically, no object can exceed the speed of light. As soon as it reaches the speed of light, division by zero occurs, world ends (or whatever).

So time travel cannot occur. Only time dilation can occur, and even then it only happens from person As viewpoint. Time passes normally for B. relative from B, A is moving with velocity V, so As clock runs slowly

However, consider a speed greater than c. t' would equal an i number, as root of a number less than 0 equals the corresponding i.
This shows it is perhaps possible to move backwards in time if the speed of light is exceeded. This isn't accepted theory however, as the earlier point proves that v can never equal c.

I hope i havn't bored you all (tbh, you all probably just thought TL;DR) but this is a particular area of interest for me, plus i'm studying it right now.

[Winston]

I Still Base My Beliefs on anything is possible. Of course I can never prove anything without proper proof and evidence. But I Still Like To Believe anything is possible in this world.

Many people believe god exists, even though there is no possible way he could exist... Even I believe in God, Yet I Know He Can't Exist.

I Can't Give You A Nicely Woven math equation, but I can sure give you all a lot of.....false hope!?

haha

I'd Also like to note I made this thread when i was 14, and i turned 16 october 29th, so this thread is now 2 years old :D

[Darth Gazak]

Many people believe god exists, even though there is no possible way he could exist... Even I believe in God, Yet I Know He Can't Exist.

So you believe God exists, even if you know he can't exist? I don't understand, you have me intrigued.


I'd Also like to note I made this thread when i was 14, and i turned 16 october 29th, so this thread is now 2 years old :D

You're initial post is very sophisticated for a boy of that age, i'm impressed :D I'm 17 now, and i wasn't really disproving your theory, just dropping in two cents of my own.

EDIT: I realise i just posed a religious science question. Things could get out of hand, so stay on topic folks.

[Winston]

Well, I don't understand either to be honest. Its just my own hope that theres something beyond death, and a damned simple explanation to how the world was created isn't it.

I know your not disproving it, but I'm just.... proud of this thread :P

[Fierce Deity]

Wrong, that is the way to figure out how much force is in an atomic bomb explosion.
That is actually the equation for the amount of energy you get when converting mass to energy. While it has nuclear applications, there's more to is than just that.

Impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. we know this.
A scientist semi-recently manipulated radio-waves to travel faster than the speed of light. It's possible.

This would make t'=t/0

Spot the curiosity? Division by zero, not good. This proves that theretically, no object can exceed the speed of light. As soon as it reaches the speed of light, division by zero occurs, world ends (or whatever).
That's the issue with math, it doesn't always work. It's something we invented to better come to conclusions of things around us, however, we have to convert meanings to math, and the final results at the end back from math to meanings to be accurate, and even then, there may be certain areas where math cannot apply. The fact that something can be "undefinable" already indicates a flaw in its design, and it explains how things based on or near it could be misunderstood.

The problem is, you can't pick and choose the laws of physics. They come as a bundle; once one is disproven, they ALL become invalid because they revolve around each other. If the speed of light laws are wrong, we will pretty much have to start from scratch.
That's not entirely true. Not EVERY law of physics is based on each other, and there are many things that are still theories, and you absolutely HAVE to pick and choose between them, because they often oppose each other.

Hell, the theory of gravity itself has been disproven twice, and while we're currently operating on Einstein's definition of gravity, he may, in the future, stand to be disproven as well.


My opinion on the matter remains as follows:
Time is a concept we invented. The flow of it can be changed by gravity and speed, but, we can't exactly travel through it.

I have a couch that travels through time.

However, it only goes forward at normal speed. =[

[Darth Gazak]

Time is a concept we invented. The flow of it can be changed by gravity and speed, but, we can't exactly travel through it.


That's very true: it's very difficult to actually define time in your own words. Try it.
It's a word invented by civilisation to represent our ongoing existence, the progression of our world from start to finish.

Any science-fiction fans out there? Well you should have heard of entropic theory, it's often mentioned in far future fantasies. I have limited knowledge, but my understanding is as follows: There is a defined amount of energy in our universe. It cannot be created or destroyed, simply transferred into many forms. The energy was distributed across the universe when the Big Bang occurred, and the passage of time is simply this energy progressing towards the original equilibrium, where all the energy takes one form.

I don't know how much is fact or fiction, but a quick wikipedia shows it shares some traits with the articles on thermodynamic entropy. Take from it what you will, but i thought it was an interesting opinion. It's not my opinion, and unfortunately i don't know who came up with it, so i can't give credit.

[Iconoclast]

Try to define point, line, and plane. :P In fact most geometry teachers aren't aware of these undefined terms and presume lines are always straight. (They are in conformist text books.)

Yeah I know the Cyberdudes with the dictionaries in their posts, but they still ask...is this a suggestion?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suggestion

Because they skip fundamentals. When you empty yourself of complexities defining can be easy. Physics is just a mask for algebra, and algebra is just a mask for the really hard stuff...arithmetic. :P When you define expressions or relations using English text (e.g. ratio of the sum of the squareroot of the difference of the square of b and the product of 4, a, and c minus b to twice a) you make your own rules...and get pretty good at it.

time (noun)

moment; period
force of change
period of change
change
fourth-dimensional measure
I probably did a bad job with the off-topic here but even this stuff can be simplified to something similar I'd think. :)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/time
Oh wow U guys R behind? These theories are AWESOME! Fun memories.

[Winston]

The fifth definition i've heard quite a lot about. I read many books that tried to make sense of that "fourth dimension". I forget what book it was now though that I wanted to mention... I think it had a horse on the cover? I read it about 3 years ago. I wish I could have shared its contents with all of you, but i'm at a loss.

If someone would maybe like to elighten me on time as a "fourth dimension" ?

[Iconoclast]

Well recently in physics we watched this insanely awesome video lecturing on the concepts of dimensions--by the time we got to the seventh dimension the word 'infinities' (plural) was already expected for later....

The count went something like this:
In a line between negative and positive infinity there is one dimension.
Its second dimension add-on is squaring that single direction from a line to a plane.
The third dimension adds on to the second dimension with another line to form a cubic-lined existence. [I have no memory what the exact wording was I'm just thinking how I thought after watching it.]
The fourth dimension adds another such line ended by that object's exact state before and ended also by after some segment on that line of time. [...and this is just the first few words that come to my mind barely revised.] The addressing of the ironic nature of understanding time physically to blend with the first three dimensions I guess was pretty quickly covered, so I don't know. :P

[Winston]

Well, I follow up quite easily on the first dimension. Its like on a cartesion plane ( I'm not sure of the spelling ) a negative slope, and positive slope ( the infinities), and only one line. The same could be said for second dimensions, but like you mentioned "squaring that single direction". The third you kind of gave away with "cubic-lined existence" haha. You did say you forgot the exact wording. But fourth dimension I'm lost hehe.
So there's already a three dimensional...thing; for lack of a better term...and your adding another line ended by that object's exact state. What do you mean by that? The object's state, ends the line? And ended by another segment on the line of time, in respects to the object's state?

Trying to understand time physically is quite hard. Because I think of a Line Segment. Then a Square. Then a Cube. Then a Super Cube. Haha. Thats all that comes to mind. A cube with more lines then that of the original cube. But then i'd be just changing the polygon haha. I'd need to watch that movie I think..

[Iconoclast]

A line has no real end, but it has been agreed that physically time is always forward and never backward. Maybe than a ray if you will...but a line to imagine the state of a three-dimensional object before in "negative time" just for comparison purposes. We often think of time morally and as an essence, but physically it can be considered the next dimension because it still adds more detail--change. Change in position, shape...how this fits into this new line I don't know :P. One-dimension there is only one line, two-dimensions there can be two perpendicular lines, and maybe now you get what I mean by three dimensions with a third perpendicular line, how the fourth one adds a new line I'm trying to teach myself what the hell that video said in ten seconds.

Obviously I would wonder if there are X, Y, and Z directions where the hell time goes, but when we think of motion and movement I guess it's possible. While I was trying to interpret that video I was off dreaming about the first dimension in hopes of mastering the fundamentals before it went too far...I cared a little too much about that. :D

Of course it covered that a point has no dimensions. YouTube certainly isn't giving me what I had in mind....

[Winston]

My problem is, is that i keep trying to imagine time as a physical enitity. and it just tears me apart. I can't imagine time as an object. Time takes up many shapes and motions..but motions don't belong in the construction of a shape. Unless i'm looking at time i guess. Theories that time is cyclical, a circle, that certainly makes it sound easy. A straight line, constantly going forward, but thats basically just a line segment. It sounds like a single line can describe time yet apparently it has four dimensions.

[Iconoclast]

We don't imagine length, width, and height (or depth yada I say x is width y is height so screw that) as physical objects, but with time we can't help but substitute it with something physical.

A line has one dimension, but a square has two lines intersecting each other at a right angle. Therefore the line is not two-dimensional, (I realize I put it that way before sorry that was a different perspective.) but the object includes two very important lines.

This always-forward line (or maybe ray--kind of line with one endpoint sprining off into infinity in just one direction based off a line segment maybe) of change from the beginning is a visible effect on an object as the previous dimensions. :cool:

[Winston]

Makes more sense now. It doesn't have to be a "shape", but it can be random lines. If i view it that way, i'm thinking of each line being a dimension and each one representing a possibilty of time. Which there would be an infinite amount of lines.

[Iconoclast]

We certainly start getting into infinity in the fifth dimension.

Even though I realize a line is infinity I simplify with just the number of lines, and I've only thought of this as an add-on...inferior it seems? To me that does sound accurate as well what you worded as. Even though this can obviously be confusing...to word one's own perspective is a new language that must be taken by the reader as if it were sent by that one's mind rather than to it. Fierce Deity's probably going to get all critical. :P

We can also try thinking of the word "form" instead of "shape". I personally see another way in that of imagining just the status of something. Then again shape can mean condition...English/Physics class boo just different languages of explaining one repertoire.

[Winston]

I see what you mean. When I think of shape...I think of a shape, but also with form. Using those words i try to relate it to something I already know esxists. Maybe an "entitity" would be a better word.

If what you mean but what i'm assuming you mean..haha...by inferior then your right. The extra dimensions seem to complexify time giving it a better "form". But the more complex something is, doesn't neccesarily mean the "better" it is.

I'm sticking with understanding a line as time. From what i've seen, time goes forward. Not backwards, never faster, never slower, always the same pace. In one direction. By adding dimensions, it seems as if there trying to explain time could actually be altered or go different directions. With more than one line, there can be more than one direction. I could simply take a line and make the ends meet and make a circle, so either going back in time or time is cyclical, then again if the line has infinite proportions, they could never reall touch. WHICHHHH is just more evidence to why i'm sticking with time as a single entity, or line, moving in one direction.

[Iconoclast]

Aye

On the side a line may be an undefined term, but it is generally agreed that it expands infinitely in two directions. The circle is clever and deceptive :cool:; we must remember that a segment does not expand infinitely just because the same points can be retraced. Therefore a circle is not included--even though the split in ways can easily occur from any point on it.

Simplicity can even be more accurate than complexity if we believe that some things are simply undefined--in one context or another. We know the squareroot of negative one has been called the imaginary unit that is on an entirely different graph (a complex graph), but it is undefined on the real number coordinate plane. By setting the unknown to null we avoid individual perspectives on an imaginary answer. The idea is similar to the inverse of zero (or the ratio of a to zero where a is not zero): Division and Subtraction don't really exist. Negative numbers surely must exist for subtraction to exist, but one of them must be a mask for reality. Some people say this ratio is infinity in the interchangeable positive or negative element.

With inferior I thought my explanation to your review in certain perspectives. :)

[Winston]

Haha. Well my review is basically my perspective on everything your saying. I have Grade 11 University Physics Next Semester, so I will probably be able to make better sense of all of this later on. But right now i'm quite pleased with one line and one direction.

I can't consider time being anything else. And does time even really exist? I mean, sure we have night and day, but thats just when our planet revolves around a star to a point where one side gets light and the other does not. We have years as a measurement of time, but again thats just 365 revolutions around that very star.

To be blunt, time is gay.

[Iconoclast]

Change exists; time must. The moral force we identify using the term may be another concept.

"Negative numbers surely must exist for subtraction to exist, ..."

Edit talking to myself I should maybe take that part back because if subtraction is based off of addition what's addition based on? I always thought the only real operation was always addition, but mathematics isn't necessarily a language. We only use a language to emulate it, so I guess it doesn't matter. :P It is an alphabet at least, and whether to include negative quantities on there (based on positive numbers) is something only a written language can add for kicks. When it is not communiated we can only imagine postive physical 'things'. Zero is absence, but absence without absence is...absence. :cool: Therefore it's a real number. :D

[Winston]

I've gone over that arguement, of does time really exist. You claim if change exists time must to. Explain this. Earth was in one place....then another. I could say it took 24 hours for it to do a full revolution but we only use that to repersent what we use as time as a way to try and interpret a quantity...of time haha.

The earth only moves because the gravity of the sun pulls in in to an orbit. If we had always had light, or always had night time, and never rotated, would we have ever thought up of a concept such as time? Think about that...

And has anything ever really changed, i remember, something from quantum physics, that was a theory that even with the big bang everything thing is still connected. Its only an illusion that everything is detached to us. It just appears there was change but in reality everything is still attached.

I know im kind of segwaying here.... but im just trying to give more evidence to that, its difficult to say, just that theres no time, and everything just is "how it is", my explanation on earth. I probably sound very mixed up. But like i said prior to this i'm having a lot of difficulty trying to understand it all...its not likely anyone will ever completely understand it all either though....

[Iconoclast]

Some physicians don't believe in a fourth dimension. Also on the side: One mathematician proved that you can't solve for x in a polynomial with a degree greather than four (ax^4 + bx^3 + cx^2 + dx^1 + ex^0 = 0 solve for x is a quartic polynomial function in one variable).

Swelling uncertainty in ourselves is not a really good sign. We may have the respect for a generalization of a skeptical concept thrown back at us, but do we have the courage to throw that level of direct information by own credit? You seem to be thinking of negative time.

'Change' is a strong word in communications; if you say nothing has exactly changed you should define 'time'--the thing that does not exist. Time is the line through which change progresses, so both are dependent of the other. If neither exist we to say the least are lifeless.

[Winston]

But thats only your definition. Time never would have existed if we never said the word, or created it. Just like some people say...we could be living in a video game, but we only thought of that concept once we actually created video games. Time is something we created to help direct us through our day to day lives.

[Iconoclast]

I was thinking you might define time instead of taking my definition. This is new amusement; definitions live without truth for their individual assignment to words or symbols.

So then this is negative time: which for sure does not exist. Positive time is forward; you are thinking about change in past tense. You are looking back at something that is no longer physical I am taking?

The term itself is not important; symbols only reference the actual identity. 'Time' is a symbol; TIME is time. Humanity naming it something else does not change the actual thing or create it. It is in our hearts by how we were raised to see time as change.

[Winston]

You can't just say "time is time" though. We don't know what time is...in onw sense...and we do in the other in that we have made it a quantity in which to make our lives simpler...be at work for 6 P.M or the point where the earth is on an axis and on the orbit where the sun begins to appear to set, on the horizon.

So My definition; time is a quantity made by man....

Like i said time only existed when we made it up, you didn't even consider and i quote from my last post, "The earth only moves because the gravity of the sun pulls in in to an orbit. If we had always had light, or always had night time, and never rotated, would we have ever thought up of a concept such as time? Think about that..."

I stil do rely on time though... haha

[Iconoclast]

So now mathematics does not exist? Because it is a known property...
Reflexive Property of Equality: for any real numbers a and b...
If a = a then a = a.
So zero equals zero! Wasn't that like what Zeus' Theorem? Even he could figure this **** out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_(mathematics)

That is a decription. A mathematical definition replaces the defined term purely with the given phrase: called the definition. You are again describing time as something made up by animals. You are suggesting time is an undefined term.

Time is not created by animals. The idea was created by animals, but the idea can never exist without a physically probable target first. That target is what really matters--time itself--because humanity only defined the rules of language. What we have gathered on science--including whether or not time exists--is our very inspirational social motive for defining things using our time.

"The earth only moves because the gravity of the sun pulls in in to an orbit. If we had always had light, or always had night time, and never rotated, would we have ever thought up of a concept such as time?"

I have no idea. :P Would we ever live without change? You have not said change is undefined...just questioned that it ever really happened. So you're saying if we do have light and darkness--but not a rotating planet Earth--can time really exist without the Earth's movement to consistently match up with what does in fact change? Sounds like mad talk to me; I wish I could see into this more...sadly I am confined to reality (or some sent instinct of it). What can any of that mean coming from someone who says time != time?

[Winston]

Haha. I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Mad talk...Haha, you know there are probably thousands of planets that may be like the one I described. But I just don't like your view on how change relates to time. I understand it but I don't like it.
Its what you've based most of what you've said so far, and its what I keep trying to dissprove hehe.

But If i relate to your time, and quote "So you're saying if we do have light and darkness--but not a rotating planet Earth--can time really exist without the Earth's movement to consistently match up with what does in fact change?" I am pretty much saying time wouldn't have existed. We would have never thought of it. So therefore is it truly real then? I know thats a little extreme...but i'm tires lazy and running out of ideas. ha

[Darth Gazak]

"A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet"

Yes humans invented the word time, but remember that English is not a universal language. The Egyptians knew about time, as did the Romans and the Greeks. Otherwise they wouldn't have had calendars! It matters not what we call it, time still exists. It is the only consistent thing in our existence. Rely on it.

[Iconoclast]

It takes time to run out of ideas. :P

[Winston]

You can only say time exists....we would have never thought time existed if there was no evidence to it.

[Iconoclast]

You also can't think without time. You can't say without time, and you can't give evidence without time.

To be honest I am totally confused right now...what in the **** are you trying to do to me?? :D

[Winston]

Lol, Well I Don't believe in time. Other than the wide array of wonderful uses it has for me haha. I don't see why we couldn;t say five evidence or think without time??

[Iconoclast]

You would need time to accomplish thinking without time, but then you'd be dead right?

[Winston]

But the dilemna here, is that im positive i can think without time. Its impossible that time can be a physical object, UNLESS IN THE FORM OF A CLOCK, haha. I just can't understand time.

I feel that i can do anything normally without this symbol we define as time. I DON't NEED IT! hehe

[Iconoclast]

Depth, width, and length can't be physical objects either...remotely physical in some context with programming. The symbols mean nothing. :D

If you think without depth, width, and length you no longer exist; screw animation.

[Winston]

I EXIST. I'm 6 Foot 1, I weigh 175 lbs. I Have a 34 Inch Waist....haha.... They aren;t objects themselves but the "make" objects. They in a way are a exoskeleton.

[Darth Gazak]

You can only say time exists....we would have never thought time existed if there was no evidence to it.

We do think time exists. Thus there must be evidence for it. Thus you must believe in it.

Keep in mind that the world's top theoretical physicists don't even fully understand time; well at least they can't fully explain it in layman's terms.

[Winston]

They can't explain it in layman terms but when they explain it in their terms it still doesn't make sense haha. I mean their version of time.

And just because we think something exists, because there must be evidence for it, and thats why I "must" believe in it doesn't mean it exists lol.

This is the dilemna in religion.. God doesn't neccsearily exist either.

[Iconoclast]

Not only does thinking require time but so does not thinking. Anyway he says he relies on it yet that it doesn't exist, so it's obvious even I need to end what fun in that.

"This is the dilemna in religion.. God doesn't neccesarily exist either."
It's fine to have your own scientific madness, but God has nothing to do with this sort of thing necessarily (let alone religion or its arguments). Nature exists, and in some installments that means God exists.--But what are you trying to do here? :D :confused:

[Darth Gazak]

Nature exists, and in some installments that means God exists.

Are you a Pantheist Iconoclast? Ever read Coleridge? You'd love Kubla Khan and Rime of the Ancient Mariner :)

[Winston]

Pantheist?

Whats a Pantheist?

[Darth Gazak]

A Pantheist is someone who interprets the existence of God in nature and organic matter. For example, anything that is not synthetic or is a natural resource is a manifestation of God or a superior being. It's sometimes called the deification of nature, it basically means that God is everything around us, an abstract entity, and not a individual or group of individuals. It's quite difficult to fathom, but it makes sense.

ST Coleridge used Pantheist themes in his poetry, concerning the appreciation of nature and man's general disrespect towards the natural world.

[Winston]

Interesting. I read a book. I forget the title now. But it was a war of gods. And it was gods we have now versus ancient gods. And what was a big part of the story is "the gods we have now" which represented things we worship now the most. Like electronics. The TV was a "god".... vaguely interesting book haha

[Iconoclast]

Here's that video I was trying to reference. Someone else found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY

[Winston]

That was actually quite informing thanks a lot

[crash]

well you are not a retard but perhaps you read 2 much comics

[Winston]

What haha? Where is this coming from

[kaosdeity]

well you are not a retard but perhaps you read 2 much comics

lol Random Info

[tatsuya1221]

well you are not a retard but perhaps you read 2 much comics

Don't insult people on coolrom, it's a good way to get the entire site against you.

[Winston]

Well I'll just go ahead and say, most of the people who have even theorized the idea of time travel probably haven't touched a comic, and are much more intelligent than me or you.

[tatsuya1221]

Well I'll just go ahead and say, most of the people who have even theorized the idea of time travel probably haven't touched a comic, and are much more intelligent than me or you.

Well tbh i doubt a being of this world could time travel, or for that matter if time actually exists, but i still have to say calling someone a retard is stupid in itself, since mortals like most here wouldn't have lived long enough to know if time is even a real thing.

[Winston]

Haha Strong words from the strongest of all angels.

[crash]

Don't insult people on coolrom, it's a good way to get the entire site against you.

that was not an insult that was a simple joke(didnt meant to insult you winston;))

[crash]

Well tbh i doubt a being of this world could time travel, or for that matter if time actually exists, but i still have to say calling someone a retard is stupid in itself, since mortals like most here wouldn't have lived long enough to know if time is even a real thing.

youre mortal 2:D

[ultimatefighter]

wow i wish i got back in the time when playstation 1 got released those where awesome moments

[tatsuya1221]

youre mortal 2:D

Maybe, who knows?

[twomuchfury]

Maybe, who knows?

true for all we know some of us could be immortal, or live an extremely long time, maybe longer than most humans, maybe some of us are not even humans, but humanoids, maybe our destinies are meant to live longer, who knows, all that is wanted to be known may never be known until that fateful day when we all die. BTW tatsuya, it is true what you said about time and all but, what if it not "time" that exists but "change", change in the world, atmosphere, humanity, and all it's creatures and creations.

[tatsuya1221]

true for all we know some of us could be immortal, or live an extremely long time, maybe longer than most humans, maybe some of us are not even humans, but humanoids, maybe our destinies are meant to live longer, who knows, all that is wanted to be known may never be known until that fateful day when we all die. BTW tatsuya, it is true what you said about time and all but, what if it not "time" that exists but "change", change in the world, atmosphere, humanity, and all it's creatures and creations.

That isn't really true either, time is more like the oroboros, i/e it's repeating, humanity is still making the same mistakes they made 10,000 years ago.

[Iconoclast]

...If you have any ideas or theories or think im a retard, which I may very well be lol Leave a post

well you are not a retard but perhaps you read 2 much comics

Why don't you thickheads pay attention?

"...humanity is still making the same mistakes they made 10,000 years ago."
Without the past no future exists. History repeats itself; the ignorant are consumed by the past, which now dominates future and present.

[twomuchfury]

Why don't you thickheads pay attention?

"...humanity is still making the same mistakes they made 10,000 years ago."
Without the past no future exists. History repeats itself; the ignorant are consumed by the past, which now dominates future and present.

yes you are correct with that, just the same problems in humanity just a different time and a different leader

[tatsuya1221]

Why don't you thickheads pay attention?

"...humanity is still making the same mistakes they made 10,000 years ago."
Without the past no future exists. History repeats itself; the ignorant are consumed by the past, which now dominates future and present.

I think it's more like people don't want to change, mankind still has a lust for power and money, a foolish choice most definitely.

i can't remember who said it but:
"those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it", best way i can think of to describe it, however the universe is unchanging.

[Iconoclast]

Power relates to all selfish instincts of the human mind that does not manage in change or chooses not to. Without meditation or love difficult learning through suffering and torture but for a black-ened heart

yes summary .. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

[crash]

speaking of being imortal,i think my grandfather is imortal hes 93 and he looks like he's 18,strong and healthy man so maybe i m 2,maybe i got it from him lol :D:D:D

[Winston]

Haha Well I forgot the past in the instance. It was a random post I made almost 3 years ago or so though baha.

Well I guess you could apply this to chess haha, make the same mistake twice, and lose twice.

[twomuchfury]

I think it's more like people don't want to change, mankind still has a lust for power and money, a foolish choice most definitely.

i can't remember who said it but:
"those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it", best way i can think of to describe it, however the universe is unchanging.

yeah i remember hearing that somewhere before too, maybe it was an anime or a movie of some sort.

Maybe it was code geass,or an anime voiced by Johnny Young Bosch, i don't know why but i can just picture Lelouche saying something like that, then again if he did he was a hypocrite

[twomuchfury]

Why don't you thickheads pay attention?

"...humanity is still making the same mistakes they made 10,000 years ago."
Without the past no future exists. History repeats itself; the ignorant are consumed by the past, which now dominates future and present.

I can agree with the part where u say we're to interested in the past which dominates the future and present, I mean I love swords over guns, and enjoy the middle ages part of history as well as samurais and ninjas.

[tatsuya1221]

yeah i remember hearing that somewhere before too, maybe it was an anime or a movie of some sort.

Maybe it was code geass,or an anime voiced by Johnny Young Bosch, i don't know why but i can just picture Lelouche saying something like that, then again if he did he was a hypocrite

no, it's been around since at least world war 2.

I can agree with the part where u say we're to interested in the past which dominates the future and present, I mean I love swords over guns, and enjoy the middle ages part of history as well as samurais and ninjas.

Actually warfare was far less brutal back then, at least in the way that civilians rarely got involved.
Bullets know not civilian from soldier, but swords do.

[twomuchfury]

speaking of being imortal,i think my grandfather is imortal hes 93 and he looks like he's 18,strong and healthy man so maybe i m 2,maybe i got it from him lol :D:D:D

It may b also a possibility that he is a vampire ( not all vampires get burned by the sun, only the traditional ones do) unless your talking about your picture being Lui Kang, and your grandfather being Kung Lao, and I mean the Great Kung Lao, not the younger one. Or he could also be a demon like me, heheh

[twomuchfury]

no, it's been around since at least world war 2.



Actually warfare was far less brutal back then, at least in the way that civilians rarely got involved.
Bullets know not civilian from soldier, but swords do.

true, very true actually, i know so many meaningless deaths brought about by the invention of guns, swords you could hold back, bullets you can not.

[Ganstaman56]

Sounds corny in a way for this part of the Forums. But I think its possible. I have my own theory. Since everything we see is simply a refelction from the object. Light bouncing off of whatever and hitting our eyes. Therefore everything we see is not what it actually looks like. But what if we could alter light or observe it from out in space or recently so it may be near the Earth.

We could view the history of the Earth by simply looking at light that has been refelcted of from the planet and is somewhere out in space. Now maybe this isnt time travel but my brother and I (who thought of it) thought this is very true. You wont get to GO back in time but you can see it and maybe alter it to change history?\

If you have any ideas or theories or think im a retard, which I may very well be lol Leave a post

Einstein thought that in order to timetravel the future would have to be happening right now....Which is impossible.

[crash]

It may b also a possibility that he is a vampire ( not all vampires get burned by the sun, only the traditional ones do) unless your talking about your picture being Lui Kang, and your grandfather being Kung Lao, and I mean the Great Kung Lao, not the younger one. Or he could also be a demon like me, heheh

im talking about my real grandfather.Speaking of Vampires,he doesnt like the light,sh.i.t what if he is really a vampire he is dark kind of guy.Funny he always talks about ancient things and i never understand him,he always teaches me about survival

[Ryu]

Funny he always talks about ancient things and i never understand him,he always teaches me about survival
What are you Goku from DB Evolution?

[crash]

im not kidding i live with my grandfather only guys in the house,my father rarely comes to visit me because he works 2000 miles far from were i am and i live in 30 miles from the nearest city my house is the only house in a range of 70 miles,i go to school with a bike,i have get used to it by now but realy 60 miles a day its to much,i start going to school 2 hours before the first lesson starts,and my grandfather makes me do push ups while standind on my back and he always wakes me up at 5 in the morning,i have two more houses:my old one i dont live there anymore nobody does it is a dead property trying to sell it for years but nobody buys it,the other house is where my father lives and i have been there only once.I get a chance to surf the net when my grandfather gets a sleep,he calls my computer the devils box thats the reason that i surf the net only when hes a sleep he would of trashed the computer by now,but i said i wouldnt massage his spine anymore(he likes massages) so we made a deal

[Ryu]

im not kidding i live with my grandfather only guys in the house,my father rarely comes to visit me because he works 2000 miles far from were i am and i live in 30 miles from the nearest city my house is the only house in a range of 70 miles,i go to school with a bike,i have get used to it by now but realy 60 miles a day its to much,i start going to school 2 hours before the first lesson starts,and my grandfather makes me do push ups while standind on my back and he always wakes me up at 5 in the morning,i have two more houses:my old one i dont live there anymore nobody does it is a dead property trying to sell it for years but nobody buys it,the other house is where my father lives and i have been there only once.I get a chance to surf the net when my grandfather gets a sleep,he calls my computer the devils box thats the reason that i surf the net only when hes a sleep he would of trashed the computer by now,but i said i wouldnt massage his spine anymore(he likes massages) so we made a deal
My scouter says you are a really fit guy!:D

[Doregushin]

fun fact: if you travel from earth to pluto and back at the speed of light, your body will only age 1 month however the earth will have advanced 50 years into the future

[Winston]

Fun Question, This Cartoon Character was named at the same year as this celestial body ( 1930 )