All USA Citizens to receive National "Real" ID Card...

[Gaming4JC]

Hello,
Sorry I've not posted in awhile, but I have some interesting news! All USA citizens will mandatoraly have a national ID card coming as of May 8th this year.
Without this National ID, you won't...

* Drive your car
* Board a plane, train, or bus
* Enter any federal building
* Open a bank account
* Hold a job

It Includes an RFID Global Positioning System (so it knows where your at, at all times), your religion, sex, age, where you live, where and when you were born, your height, blood type and more!...

Talk about an invasion of privacy, they will know every second you download amongst everything else they don't need to know.

If anyone wants to help stop this is not too late, there are 17 states not going with this plan. Help them, help us! Go Digg it:
http://digg.com/politics/L_A_R_I_Legislators_Against_Real_ID


Thought this my be of interest.
Gaming4JC

[Klendathu]

Do you have a link to a site to help this happen?

[Gaming4JC]

I'm not linking to a site that supports this. The site is Legislators "Against" Real ID. If they can get just 100,000 people to sign a petition we can stop this thing. :(

[Klendathu]

I'm not linking to a site that supports this. The site is Legislators "Against" Real ID. If they can get just 100,000 people to sign a petition we can stop this thing. :(

Then if you can't provide a link covering both sides of the issue, then I'm not clicking on your link covering only one side.

[Sonic]

Same goes for me. Have to read both sides to see whats so bad/good about it before making a decision. Like with voting.

[tatsuya1221]

Where do i sign?
It just takes me to a diggs site,i don't mind signing.

[Gaming4JC]

Here's the full both sides stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6163/fjsidaq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As for as signing up:
http://www.nonationalid.com/TakeAction.aspx

[Klendathu]

O yeah that looks cool. The all seeing eye rules.

[kaosdeity]

Sounds terrible for illegal immigrants and terrorists. I don't see why I should care.

[Klendathu]

Sounds terrible for illegal immigrants and terrorists. I don't see why I should care.

We have a winner.

[Sonic]

We have a winner.

Seconded. I see no problem either.

[MurderMayhem666]

Seconded. I see no problem either.

:mad2: WHAT??? What do you mean you don't see nothing wrong with it ??? This is just one more step this out of control goverment is taking to put total control over us and heard us like sheep !!! I mean a microchip that can track your every move, how much longer before you need this "Real ID" just to buy bread, how much longer before we get put in some New World Order run Labor Camp being worked to death so some elistist snobs can live high on the hog !!! Everyone don't forget what happened in Waco Texas never forget what happened at Ruby Ridge, this goverment is ran by a bunch of power hungray mad men !!! Remember big Brother is real, Big Brother is out to get you !!!:mad3:

[tatsuya1221]

:mad2: WHAT??? What do you mean you don't see nothing wrong with it ??? This is just one more step this out of control goverment is taking to put total control over us and heard us like sheep !!! I mean a microchip that can track your every move, how much longer before you need this "Real ID" just to buy bread, how much longer before we get put in some New World Order run Labor Camp being worked to death so some elistist snobs can live high on the hog !!! Everyone don't forget what happened in Waco Texas never forget what happened at Ruby Ridge, this goverment is ran by a bunch of power hungray mad men !!! Remember big Brother is real, Big Brother is out to get you !!!:mad3:

Heh,someone has been reading revelations.
Though i agree with you.

[Klendathu]

:mad2: WHAT??? What do you mean you don't see nothing wrong with it ??? This is just one more step this out of control goverment is taking to put total control over us and heard us like sheep !!! I mean a microchip that can track your every move, how much longer before you need this "Real ID" just to buy bread, how much longer before we get put in some New World Order run Labor Camp being worked to death so some elistist snobs can live high on the hog !!! Everyone don't forget what happened in Waco Texas never forget what happened at Ruby Ridge, this goverment is ran by a bunch of power hungray mad men !!! Remember big Brother is real, Big Brother is out to get you !!!:mad3:

Why are you so mad?
The people in Waco and at Ruby Ridge got what the deserved.
Keep thumping on your Bible and believe in the nonsense.

[MurderMayhem666]

:devil: First of all i don't read the bible, in fact i don't even believe in god . Second our country was founded on the fact that the goverment should have no invoment in our daily lifes.And what in the hell do you mean that "The people at Waco had it going" in this country we have a right to believe and praise god how every we want to, whether it be a cult or in a church. So just turn your head the next time our Constution is ****ed on and take your forced druging with a smile and when big brother comes for your family just because of some petty reason whatever it maybe, just remember you had a chance to stop it !!!

[Klendathu]

:devil: First of all i don't read the bible, in fact i don't even believe in god . Second our country was founded on the fact that the government should have no involvement in our daily lives.And what in the hell do you mean that "The people at Waco had it going" in this country we have a right to believe and praise god how every we want to, whether it be a cult or in a church. So just turn your head the next time our Constitution is ****ed on and take your forced drudging with a smile and when big brother comes for your family just because of some petty reason whatever it maybe, just remember you had a chance to stop it !!!

Fixed..........
First off the Ruby Ridge incident was about taxes. Second Most off the victims at the Branch Davidian compound died of single gunshot wounds to the head either self inflicted or brought on by David Koresh who himself died of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

[MurderMayhem666]

:mad3: First of all, all that crap about a mass suicide is just the FBI trying to cover their own tracks and try to hide the fact that they committied mass murder, I don't believe in telling people what to do but you should think about watching a little documentary called WACO:Rules of Engagement it's a great movie that shows an infer red(?) image of machine gun fire going in to the back of the house,truth !!! And for Ruby Ridge you think killing a man's entire family is okay if he doesn't pay his taxes ??? Good god man what did your parents do to you to make you think that ???:mad2:

[Klendathu]

:mad3: First of all, all that crap about a mass suicide is just the FBI trying to cover their own tracks and try to hide the fact that they committied mass murder, I don't believe in telling people what to do but you should think about watching a little documentary called WACO:Rules of Engagement it's a great movie that shows an infer red(?) image of machine gun fire going in to the back of the house,truth !!! And for Ruby Ridge you think killing a man's entire family is okay if he doesn't pay his taxes ??? Good god man what did your parents do to you to make you think that ???:mad2:

Fine whatever you say. Everyone is out to get you. You're not safe in your own home. It's all a big cover up. You're so hypercritical. Are you on the 911 conspiracy band wagon too?

[Gaming4JC]

Well, I'm not exactly sure about all the conspiracy talk, but this is known fact.
Also, you don't even have to read out of the Bible to see that this is direct unneeded intervention of the government on a persons rights.
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08035/digital_witness379.png (http://xs.to)
For Example, they say this card is for your "security", because it will catch criminals and terrorists. Now let's think logically as a criminal mind would, do you think the terrorist or criminals are going to get this card? No! Certainly not, they would just be illegal as always, so this proves another point of the entire plan being flawed anyway. If they won't be tracking the criminals what other uses are there? :confused:

Bill Clinton also suggested to the idea of a National ID card some time back, but the idea was shot-down by most groups... it takes time to convince the people I guess, and it seems to have worked...

[ridley]

:devil: First of all i don't read the bible, in fact i don't even believe in god . Second our country was founded on the fact that the goverment should have no invoment in our daily lifes.And what in the hell do you mean that "The people at Waco had it going" in this country we have a right to believe and praise god how every we want to, whether it be a cult or in a church. So just turn your head the next time our Constution is ****ed on and take your forced druging with a smile and when big brother comes for your family just because of some petty reason whatever it maybe, just remember you had a chance to stop it !!!

What do you care, you live in Valhalla.

Anyways it's of no concern to me.

[Klendathu]

Bill Clinton also suggested to the idea of a National ID card some time back, but the idea was shot-down by most groups... it takes time to convince the people I guess, and it seems to have worked...

O this is all Bill Clintons Idea. Then I'm against it.

What do you care, you live in Valhalla.

Anyways it's of no concern to me.

He lives in Valhalla. Man I smoked many fools for not paying their idiot tax in Valhalla.

[Gaara]

Hello,
Sorry I've not posted in awhile, but I have some interesting news! All USA citizens will mandatoraly have a national ID card coming as of May 8th this year.
Without this National ID, you won't...

* Drive your car
* Board a plane, train, or bus
* Enter any federal building
* Open a bank account
* Hold a job

It Includes an RFID Global Positioning System (so it knows where your at, at all times), your religion, sex, age, where you live, where and when you were born, your height, blood type and more!...

Talk about an invasion of privacy, they will know every second you download amongst everything else they don't need to know.

If anyone wants to help stop this is not too late, there are 17 states not going with this plan. Help them, help us! Go Digg it:
http://digg.com/politics/L_A_R_I_Legislators_Against_Real_ID


Thought this my be of interest.
Gaming4JC

dont u have a NI num its no big deal so u have to wright a couple more num/letters when filling in a form

[Fantasy_Freak]

ID Cards?
We live in the year 2008. Let's get a computer chip installed in the back of our hand.

[Kameo]

Gaming4JC is right though. Trading Ur freedom for some fake security. For me that's a reason to move to Asia, I don't wanna be followed by my government 24/7.

If U believe either illegal immigrants or terrorists will be stopped by not having an ID U R plain dumb, and stupid. Simple as that.

[Fantasy_Freak]

Another Small Note.

All those people who have conspiracy theories about the government trying to control us and such well...

In my opinion..those people have wasted their lives on one thing or another and in return they try to blame their failure on the government rather than themselves.

[Kameo]

Those who think governments don't try to control us R plain dumb, and stupid.

How many lies were told by the Bush government just to get U to war with Iraq??

Good luck guarding Ur borders, U really believe this ID thing is going to stop terrorists?? Terrorists will be like "Let's not go to the USA, we must have an idea there" or what about citizens like the Oklahoma Bomber?? People like him will be stopped because of this ID?? Think again. ;)


But in return for this fake security, how much of Ur freedom did U lose??

[Kameo]

Those who think governments don't try to control us R plain dumb, and stupid.

How many lies were told by the Bush government just to get U to war with Iraq??

Good luck guarding Ur borders, U really believe this ID thing is going to stop terrorists?? Terrorists will be like "Let's not go to the USA, we must have an ID there" or what about citizens like the Oklahoma Bomber?? People like him will be stopped because of this ID?? Think again. ;)


But in return for this fake security, how much of Ur freedom did U lose??

[Klendathu]

But in return for this fake security, how much of Ur freedom did U lose??

None.........

[Fantasy_Freak]

I can careless about what the government does as long as it doesn't affect my lift in a negative way.

[Kameo]

I can careless about what the government does as long as it doesn't affect my lift in a negative way.

Soon it will, trust me on that one. Might not happen this year, or the next, but we'll come to a point where the free west is no longer free. Soon.

[Winston]

Ahhh So great to be canadian

[Fantasy_Freak]

its already affecting our lives.

i know for a fact that when im 16 i will not be driving because of fuel prices and various other inflation.

Weren't you the one that said driving was overrated?

[Winston]

Driving is great...especially here in canada!

[Fantasy_Freak]

Going back on to the card topic I don't really see anything negative about this other than for illegal aliens.

Like if they have a GPS on it or something then we can track down kidnappers or murderer's alot easier.

[Dragon Master Alex]

Have you all(well not all some of you get it) not read all the details on this. It is a total invasion of privacy I read a 10 page article about these chips about 4 months ago not only are you being tracked everywhere you go 24/7 but they are using the same chips on a lot of the products we buy as well, so if you don't understand what I am saying they know where we are at all times as well as most of the things we buy ,which is logged to our ID's even so they know who is buying what and when as well as these chips do not have very good security they can easily be hacked or traced which mines WITSEC is right out the window because the people that are tiring to hide form the real bad guys can quite easily be hunted down and killed if you don't believe me look it up I read it in "Science Today" or "Scientific World" I don't remember the exact title sorry.
Now I am no conspiracy theorist but "Big Brother" is out to get us they want to control us all. The Question isn't are you paranoid? It's are you paranoid enough?


P.S. In case you didn't know here are the last few things Bush did to take away our freedoms...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98467651

&

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

Now do you really think they are not tiring to control everything we do



Edit: Actually here so you don't have to look it up yourselves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

[tatsuya1221]

Going back on to the card topic I don't really see anything negative about this other than for illegal aliens.

Like if they have a GPS on it or something then we can track down kidnappers or murderer's alot easier.

Do you really think a killer/kidnapper isn't going to know to just not get a fake one or leave the country?

The illegal thing is an outright lie, there's no chance that this would prevent them from anything because of state laws.

No this is to track enemies of the state, it's only a matter of time before we start losing paper money and go to cards or even microchips.

[SofaKing]

aight I need to read more about this but just the idea i got from the first post gives me this opinion.

I'm ok with it up until the part about the global positioning system. That’s a clear out invasion of your privacy, its not right and it shouldn’t be aloud. Read the book '1984' thats exactly what we are heading for if this ID thing happens.

what scared me the most about it is the fact they plopped 'the all seeing eye' on top of it. If you do some research about what that eye actually represents you'll understand why I’m terrified of it.

anyway, I'm going to do some more reading on this before i say much more, but those are just my thoughts at first glance.

edit: upon more reading I’m not worried about this. This goes against several constitutional amendments and there is no way this act is getting passed. Furthermore it was proposed back in 2005 by the bush administration, and since I’m not hearing anything about this until now obviously no ones pushing for it hard enough to make it a reality. Also the bush administration is out of office so we don’t have to worry about this ridicules act getting passed.

[tatsuya1221]

aight I need to read more about this but just the idea i got from the first post gives me this opinion.

I'm ok with it up until the part about the global positioning system. That’s a clear out invasion of your privacy, its not right and it shouldn’t be aloud. Read the book '1984' thats exactly what we are heading for if this ID thing happens.

what scared me the most about it is the fact they plopped 'the all seeing eye' on top of it. If you do some research about what that eye actually represents you'll understand why I’m terrified of it.

anyway, I'm going to do some more reading on this before i say much more, but those are just my thoughts at first glance.

edit: upon more reading I’m not worried about this. This goes against several constitutional amendments and there is no way this act is getting passed. Furthermore it was proposed back in 2005 by the bush administration, and since I’m not hearing anything about this until now obviously no ones pushing for it hard enough to make it a reality. Also the bush administration is out of office so we don’t have to worry about this ridicules act getting passed.

It was already passed in the patriot act, and was implemented in a few states, all states have to have it in effect by may 2009 or 2010, i can't remember which.

I it doesn't matter though, i'll fight them tooth and nail if it comes down to it.

[SofaKing]

your saying it already got passed? that really worries me, I seriously hope your wrong about that. I'm going to read a little deeper into this.

[Fantasy_Freak]

Do you really think a killer/kidnapper isn't going to know to just not get a fake one or leave the country?

The illegal thing is an outright lie, there's no chance that this would prevent them from anything because of state laws.

No this is to track enemies of the state, it's only a matter of time before we start losing paper money and go to cards or even microchips.

wait wait wait

losing paper money?
Go to cards?
MICROCHIPS

that sounds awesome.

[tatsuya1221]

wait wait wait

losing paper money?
Go to cards?
MICROCHIPS

that sounds awesome.


No freedom ftw eh?

Imagine not being able to buy anything unless allowed to, bow before your emperor, all that kind of stuff.

[Klendathu]

No freedom ftw eh?

Imagine not being able to buy anything unless allowed to, bow before your emperor, all that kind of stuff.


Yeah, well I already have a wife.

[tatsuya1221]

Yeah, well I already have a wife.

Not all women are like that thank goodness.

[Fantasy_Freak]

No freedom ftw eh?

Imagine not being able to buy anything unless allowed to, bow before your emperor, all that kind of stuff.

I kinda think it would be like demolition man.

[Klendathu]

I kinda think it would be like demolition man.

That didn't seem too bad as long as you can figure out how to use the three sea shells.

[tatsuya1221]

That didn't seem too bad as long as you can figure out how to use the three sea shells.

F****** sea shells!
Even after all these years i don't know how to use them!

[Klendathu]

F****** sea shells!
Even after all these years i don't know how to use them!

tatsuya1221 YOU ARE FINED 1 CREDIT FOR VIOLATION OF THE VERBAL MOLARITY ACT.

[tatsuya1221]

tatsuya1221 YOU ARE FINED 1 CREDIT FOR VIOLATION OF THE VERBAL MOLARITY ACT.


F*** A** D******* M*********** S******* B****C*********
See you in a few minutes.

[Phathod]

F*** A** D******* M*********** S******* B****C*********
See you in a few minutes.

What was the S one?

[st@t1k]

While it has passed ALOT of the state governments are not enforcing it. At it was slipped into the bill, kinda like and earmark. It wont go so far as to be GPS tracked or a monitary system. there is no way to controll inflation on 'credits' pluss the number of people who would hack that swhit.

[Ss4gogeta0]

Well, I'm not exactly sure about all the conspiracy talk, but this is known fact.
Also, you don't even have to read out of the Bible to see that this is direct unneeded intervention of the government on a persons rights.
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08035/digital_witness379.png (http://xs.to)
For Example, they say this card is for your "security", because it will catch criminals and terrorists. Now let's think logically as a criminal mind would, do you think the terrorist or criminals are going to get this card? No! Certainly not, they would just be illegal as always, so this proves another point of the entire plan being flawed anyway. If they won't be tracking the criminals what other uses are there? :confused:

Bill Clinton also suggested to the idea of a National ID card some time back, but the idea was shot-down by most groups... it takes time to convince the people I guess, and it seems to have worked...

...... well ur right there.... but i mean what about if a person goes missing... how are we going to find them... what about a kidnapping

[SofaKing]

...... well ur right there.... but i mean what about if a person goes missing... how are we going to find them... what about a kidnapping

the world is ****ed up, **** happens. I sugest to try your best not to get kidnapped. The only way to create a world where crime is impossible and nothing bad happens is to turn everyone into robots and strip away all our freedoms.

The price of freedom is the possibility that **** can go horribly wrong.