Xbox / Game Cube Emus

[pizzaman]

As i've been told, there isnt a good PS2 emu, but what about Game Cube and Xbox? Are there any good emus for them, and if there are how big would the ROMs be?

[Iconoclast]

There is a way to get Xbox ROMs. I have NO idea how, though. And yes, it's legal. You have to copy it from the Xbox CD you bought or something. Forget it. For this reason, I can't predict their file sizes.

All emulators worth downloading are at here (http://www.emulator-zone.com).

[pizzaman]

Yes i know. Thats the site that i use, but it seems that some people from this site said that there are no decent PS2 emus. And for that reason, I don't think that all of those emus on that site are good. Of course a lot of them are, but I still haven't found a good PS2 emulator.

[pizzaman]

Oh, i got sidetracked. What i wanted to say was, are there any decent Xbox or Game Cube emus?

[Iconoclast]

What about the emulator-zone website? They're decent. It's got NGC and Xbox.

[pizzaman]

I mean will they work fine, because i DLed a PS2 emulator and i couldnt get it to work?

[Iconoclast]

Well, that doesn't include Xbox and GameCube emulators. I really don't know. I tried an Xbox emulator once...it's useless without an Xbox ROM! We can't find the answer to that compatibility question any quicker than you can.

[pizzaman]

Oh ok, i got a couple of NGC games, but idk how to turn them into ROMs.

[Iconoclast]

Welcome to my world. I want Xbox ROMs! All I know is that with the Xbox, you may have to use some kind of ISO patch file or something crap like that. I'm finished helping in the GameCube department. It didn't deserve to replace the N64!

[pizzaman]

Welcome to my world. I want Xbox ROMs! All I know is that with the Xbox, you may have to use some kind of ISO patch file or something crap like that. I'm finished helping in the GameCube department. It didn't deserve to replace the N64!
That is true, GameCube does suck, but having it on the computer( and NOT sharing it with anyone ) would be way more fun.:D

[chaos master]

Welcome to my world. I want Xbox ROMs! All I know is that with the Xbox, you may have to use some kind of ISO patch file or something crap like that. I'm finished helping in the GameCube department. It didn't deserve to replace the N64!

You want Xbox ISO's, huh? HUH????
heh
The discs are programmed backwards, so yer comp prolly couldn't read it.
ISO maker: Alchohol 120% (extremely bad name, yet they claim to be professional)

Gamecube does not suck IMO, the games could. Nintendo has possibly saved a few thousand (or million) bucks by making it much more pirate-proof. If you want better games, make them yourself. Gamecube also made the best controller plan IMHO that's not really that humble.

[Iconoclast]

Xbox CD's can be read by computers with DVD-ROM compatible drives.

[pizzaman]

My computer is really new, but it only can read +R CDs and DVDs. Which game system uses +R CDs/DVDs?

[Iconoclast]

I have no idea what you mean by + R. The only four types of CD drives I know are these:

1. CD-R
2. CD-RW
3. DVD-R*For Xbox CDs
4. DVD-RW

[chaos master]

Xbox CD's can be read by computers with DVD-ROM compatible drives.

WRONGO SCHMALONGO!!
heh
Xbox and Gamecube discs are written from the outside in, opposite of the standerd CD or DVD.
Es impossible for standard CD and DVD drives to read them, they'd get it backwards.
so..no...dice:mad3:

[Iconoclast]

Both my parents' drives can read them! They have DVD-ROM-compatible drives. This must be the requirement. If you ever get the chance, try it out.

[pizzaman]

I have no idea what you mean by + R. The only four types of CD drives I know are these:

1. CD-R
2. CD-RW
3. DVD-R*For Xbox CDs
4. DVD-RW
There is also DVD+R and CD+R, and that is what most PC can read.

[chaos master]

Both my parents' drives can read them! They have DVD-ROM-compatible drives. This must be the requirement. If you ever get the chance, try it out.

No way, bubba! I took the time to import Spiderman 2 for Xbox from my basement to my DVD drive, and the only file it showed me was this corny rock video of the Xbox logo (which is wierd because the video isn't anywhere in the game.) I assume GC discs will do the same. I put the DVD of Burnout 3 for PS2 in the DVD drive and it showed me all sorts of hooplah, stuff that I couldn't know what it is. But they were there, and I could have made the whole thing into a nice little folder or even an ISO.

[Iconoclast]

There are more files than that on an Xbox disk. You were able to read that. Then again, once more, welcome to my world. From there, I don't know where to go. I can only assume that the only legal way to get an Xbox ROM would involve the requirement of owning the actual game. That's why I assume that you should be able to read Xbox CDs and do something with them to find a ROM/XBE file somehow.

This must be why PSX and PS2 are still on the ESA list. PSX uses CDs that probably can be read by a PC to somehow get the ROMs yourself.

[chaos master]

There are more files than that on an Xbox disk. You were able to read that. Then again, once more, welcome to my world. From there, I don't know where to go. I can only assume that the only legal way to get an Xbox ROM would involve the requirement of owning the actual game. That's why I assume that you should be able to read Xbox CDs and do something with them to find a ROM/XBE file somehow.

This must be why PSX and PS2 are still on the ESA list. PSX uses CDs that probably can be read by a PC to somehow get the ROMs yourself.

You would have to physically change your disc reader to find the files on the Xbox and GC discs. Other than the video, Windows Explorer showed no other file, not even a nonsence one. YAAAAAAAAAAY WINDOWS!!

[Iconoclast]

Why couldn't Microsoft just stick to MS-DOS?

What I've always dreamed of: An MS-DOS Nintendo 64 Emulator. But unless they would imagine anyone wanting such an absurd thing, unless they could remove 3-dimensional object emulation (impossible in DOS), unless they could make N64 ROMs compatible in 256 colors, and unless they would see a reason to make a DOS N64 emulator, I'm out of luck.

It is possible to run N64 ROMs in 320x200 resolution, and definetly possible in 640x480, so resolution is not relatively a concern in programming an N64 DOS emulator.

[pizzaman]

I have no idea what you guys just said :mad2:
But hold on a second, Chaos Master, did you say that you can make a PS2 disk into a .ISO? How could you do that?

[chaos master]

I have no idea what you guys just said :mad2:
But hold on a second, Chaos Master, did you say that you can make a PS2 disk into a .ISO? How could you do that?

hmmm, my name's chaos master, not "Chaos Master"

yes, I think you can, though there are no emulators that can run it yet and I don't know if it legal. To make an ISO of a disc, use Alchohol 120%. Just put the blasted disc in and pick make a blasted ISO on the blasted user interface. I think that will work. Unless maybe the disc has a blasted security thingie against it. If so, you're pretty much blasted. Alchohol 120% is at www.download.com

[dtfreak05]

download xbox iso creation software here. i havent tested them, but i will shortly.

http://www.xbox-scene.com/tools/tools.php?page=isotools

EDIT: It doesn't work. I got the same rock video thing. I think the software is meant for modded xboxes, like maybe you download the software to the xbox and that does it...? maybe. or maybe there is some patch file that you need to do it. all i know is, i'm gonna have to go with chaos master's assessment that they can't be read by pc's.

[pizzaman]

Can you get software on how to make PS2 games into ISOs? What I heard is that the xbox, or whatever system you are trying to make copies for, can't read the sidk because it is different somehow. Even if you make a ISO of the disk and put it on the CD, the CD is different from the original CD. I think it has to do with the physical disk, not the data on it.

[dtfreak05]

im sure it would work with alcohol, but again, it wouldnt do you any good without a mod chip or swap disc

[jambog]

Xbox games and Gamecube games are burnt different. The data is burnt from the outer edge of the disc to the inside of the disc. The discs can't be read or copied using regular PC DVD burners. There is a way you can get the data off the disc by networking the xbox or gc up to your pc and run the disc from the console and somehow extract the data over the LAN onto your PC harddrive, so it is possible to get the ISO but you have no way to burn them and play them on the consoles since regular PC DVD burners burn the opposite of how xbox and gc read the data on the disc.

I know nothing about xbox emus but there I have tried few for GC and dl some ISO and they will load using the emulator but then lock up, so I don't know if my system just doesn't meet the requirements or the emus are still just too unstable to play the games.

You can burn PS2 games since the data on the discs are written the same way as PC discs but you need a mod chip or swap disc to be able to play the burnt copies.

[pizzaman]

im sure it would work with alcohol, but again, it wouldnt do you any good without a mod chip or swap disc
Do you know if swap disks actually work?

[pizzaman]

You can burn PS2 games since the data on the discs are written the same way as PC discs but you need a mod chip or swap disc to be able to play the burnt copies.
How? I've tried with IsoBuster and still no luck.

[jambog]

I have never done it, so I couldn't really tell you how, I've just heard you could. I've never been able to figure out how to burn ISOs properly:( If anybody can give us a tut or some info on it let us know.

[pizzaman]

I have never done it, so I couldn't really tell you how, I've just heard you could. I've never been able to figure out how to burn ISOs properly:( If anybody can give us a tut or some info on it let us know.
Sure, I will upload the link to the program shortly ( I think I got it from download.com so it's legal )

[pizzaman]

Sorry, can't post this

[dtfreak05]

yes, that is a good program, that is what i use. ive burned isos, all you do is just burn it like you would any other disc. just burn it to a data cd. since its an image file, it should contain everything in the game; just select the file on the disc in the emu and you should be good to go,

does anyone know how to do that process of networking the xbox to the pc and extracting the image? ive figured out how to do the networking part (i share my laptops wireless connection with my xbox for xbox live) but i dont know how to extract the image.

[pizzaman]

yes, that is a good program, that is what i use. ive burned isos, all you do is just burn it like you would any other disc. just burn it to a data cd. since its an image file, it should contain everything in the game; just select the file on the disc in the emu and you should be good to go,

Yea about that, I had to delete that link. So if anyone wants it you'll have to PM me.

[Mjshl2]

Just thought id say that there is no good working emu for Cube or Ps2. Certain games will run(which isnt a very big selection), but very slowly and many glitches/problems. Not to mention, you need a pretty powerful PC. As for Xbox there is no working Emu yet and there wont be for awhile im guessing.

[pizzaman]

Just thought id say that there is no good working emu for Cube or Ps2. Certain games will run(which isnt a very big selection), but very slowly and many glitches/problems. Not to mention, you need a pretty powerful PC. As for Xbox there is no working Emu yet and there wont be for awhile im guessing.
That's what I thought.

[dtfreak05]

even if there were, it would probably be too much trouble to even be worth it. snes and other old systems are great to emulate because they arent large and complicated. having xbox games on your hard drive would be way too much, at least for poor old me and my 60 gig hd, 11 of which i have left :(

[harger]

how do i copy regular Xbox games to regular roms? i got an emualator for Xbox and gamecube

[Fierce Deity]

I would imagine you would need a chip in ur drive to read any game you put in it. Then you would need a program to rip it..You could try nero but you might need a special xbox ripping one...

[pizzaman]

even if there were, it would probably be too much trouble to even be worth it. snes and other old systems are great to emulate because they arent large and complicated. having xbox games on your hard drive would be way too much, at least for poor old me and my 60 gig hd, 11 of which i have left :(
That sucks, I feel for you. This computer is great, but the one I had recently had only 20 GB.

[pizzaman]

how do i copy regular Xbox games to regular roms? i got an emualator for Xbox and gamecube
You can't, or actually you can, but almost no NGC and Xbox games are playable on emus.

[pizzaman]

I would imagine you would need a chip in ur drive to read any game you put in it. Then you would need a program to rip it..You could try nero but you might need a special xbox ripping one...
If anyone needs a program like that tp burn CDs PM me. Don't PM me, however, if you want it to burn NGC, Xbox, and/or PS2 games, because it is really hard to burn them to disks and play them. If you know how to burn them to disks, and have a mod chip, then you should be able to figure out how to do it without my help.

[harger]

is it the drive on mine Windows XP CPU? i got a CD-Drive and how do i get program fils?

[pizzaman]

is it the drive on mine Windows XP CPU? i got a CD-Drive and how do i get program fils?
I don't understand what your getting at.

[kingr2d2]

ok, it seems you guys need a little help.

frist off, the game cube is a powerfull machine compared to a regular computer. the technology in it still dazzles me. if you want to know more about whats in the game cube, take a look in this site:

http://www.emulanium.com/gamecube.php

a little bit more down and youll find a few emulators for the game cube. the only one i can recomand is Dolphin Final Beta emulator. as for the other ones, they might work better on a older system such as windows 98. those other ones will not work with the newer versions of windows such as windows XP for some reason.

why the Dolphin Final Beta emulator? because its the only one that can support the game cube games. as for how to play the game cube games on a CD or DVD, i would recomand useing a DVD drive. there was a way for the DVD to read backwards. its been sometime since ive done it but I compleatly forgot how to do it. it did however had to do with something involing MS-DOS i belive or when you were in the setup menu of the computer. dont worry, ill remeber maybe someday lol.

remeber, the games do not work on the PC yet, that is ontill i can remeber how to do backwards reading.

as for the Xbox, hee forget it, even if you did find a emulator to work (such as Xeon) on the PC, your puny computer wouldent be able to handle it. not even the quickest computer could..... that is if you knew how to compine more then one computer to work as one. via lan or networking. but ontill then, our computers can not handle the stress.

btw, if you think that sometime in the future that they might take out an emulator for any of the newer systems that are comeing out right now, well lets just say that its a dream that we all want to see happen, but a dream that will never come ture.

heres also details of the inside of the Xbox:

http://www.emulanium.com/xbox.php

any other detail of other systems can be found on that site:

http://www.emulanium.com/

i hope that this helps in regards to the question at the begging. and just in case anyone douts that you can read backward cds, ask your self about this, whats inside of a CD drive thats makes it be able to read one way via the other way? thats all im going to say.

good luck

[pizzaman]

What do you mean my computer can't hadle it? How much RAM does that thing need? Oh and what about PS2 emulators? Is the pcsx2 the best one?

[kingr2d2]

What do you mean my computer can't hadle it? How much RAM does that thing need? Oh and what about PS2 emulators? Is the pcsx2 the best one?

1. some asked this to the Dolphin team "It runs slow on my 4.8GHz PenthloniumXT64++ Pro!!! What's wrong?" this is what the Dolphin team said "The Nintendo Gamecube is a very advanced platform and computers are not fast enough yet to emulate it with the techniques we use." so as you can see, even if you did get the quickest processer in the world, it still might not run fast enough right now.

2. yes, for now the pcsx2 is the best one right now for playing PS2 games. i belive that the games that sony makes for the ps2 work the same as the ps1 games. meaning that they should be able to work on your PC. but i havent tried one yet.

3. as for ram, ram is 2nd as important as a processor. the processor is the main thing you need. if you want to go for it and buy more ram, then go ahead. most game go for 1 Gb but for an emulator i dont know how much you might need. you might need 2 or even 4 if your motherboard can handle it.

[pizzaman]

1. some asked this to the Dolphin team "It runs slow on my 4.8GHz PenthloniumXT64++ Pro!!! What's wrong?" this is what the Dolphin team said "The Nintendo Gamecube is a very advanced platform and computers are not fast enough yet to emulate it with the techniques we use." so as you can see, even if you did get the quickest processer in the world, it still might not run fast enough right now.

2. yes, for now the pcsx2 is the best one right now for playing PS2 games. i belive that the games that sony makes for the ps2 work the same as the ps1 games. meaning that they should be able to work on your PC. but i havent tried one yet.

3. as for ram, ram is 2nd as important as a processor. the processor is the main thing you need. if you want to go for it and buy more ram, then go ahead. most game go for 1 Gb but for an emulator i dont know how much you might need. you might need 2 or even 4 if your motherboard can handle it.
I have 2GB RAM and a Pentium D Processor running with 3GHz with its dual cores. Do you think I might be able to emulate some PS2 games? I already tried with Jak 2, but the speed was really slow and all that would come up was the intro.

[kingr2d2]

well the other thing you have to consider is how well the emulator works with a game. some are still in development and some are still trying to figure how to bost up the speed in the emulator. if you want to go for it and see what happens, then be my guest but im still saying that it might be a tiny bit slower. whats the worst thing that can happen. i mean you have a good computer so the worst thing that could happen would be the computer freazing up, but that may not happen.

[pizzaman]

well the other thing you have to consider is how well the emulator works with a game. some are still in development and some are still trying to figure how to bost up the speed in the emulator. if you want to go for it and see what happens, then be my guest but im still saying that it might be a tiny bit slower. whats the worst thing that can happen. i mean you have a good computer so the worst thing that could happen would be the computer freazing up, but that may not happen.
You think the first games for PS2 will work better? IDK about which ones need faster processors, but I'll try some of games out.

[psilonaut]

This thread has gone on for too long - Gamecube, PS2, Xbox all use DVDs. If you have a decent DVD drive and proper software you can read them - No need to download ROMS because you allready have them on the DVDs (DVD-ROM sound familiar?)

But that dosn't change the fact that nobody has developped a decent emulator for any of these systems.

[pizzaman]

This thread has gone on for too long - Gamecube, PS2, Xbox all use DVDs. If you have a decent DVD drive and proper software you can read them - No need to download ROMS because you allready have them on the DVDs (DVD-ROM sound familiar?)

But that dosn't change the fact that nobody has developped a decent emulator for any of these systems.
I have heard that people have played some games on them though. Is that true or not?

[kingr2d2]

it is ture, but not all games are alike (duh). what im saying is that games that are developed by different partys companies like 1st, 2nd, 3rd party companys may use different levels of sicurity on thier discs. and for the guy who says that there all DVD's, uh yea, we know that but not all systems will allow backward read. now i think i once saw something of what you speak of, a DVD that can read backwards, but that was in best buy like 5 years ago. i dought the'll have them. maybe if you look online you'll find a company that makes dvd's that can read backwards.

i still say that not all games will be able to be played on the PC because some need some wicked power to play the games. but i could be wrong as ive only got a 2 Ghz processor, and 1 Gib of ram.

[psilonaut]

it is ture, but not all games are alike (duh). what im saying is that games that are developed by different partys companies like 1st, 2nd, 3rd party companys may use different levels of sicurity on thier discs. and for the guy who says that there all DVD's, uh yea, we know that but not all systems will allow backward read. now i think i once saw something of what you speak of, a DVD that can read backwards, but that was in best buy like 5 years ago. i dought the'll have them. maybe if you look online you'll find a company that makes dvd's that can read backwards.

i still say that not all games will be able to be played on the PC because some need some wicked power to play the games. but i could be wrong as ive only got a 2 Ghz processor, and 1 Gib of ram.

Has nothing to do with security - I've never bought an X-Box game. I rent them and I copy them to my drive. No problem there. And a PC has much more processing power. The xbox has a 700Mhz processor and 128MB of RAM if I do recall correctly... Your average PC that was purchased in the last few years can blast it out of the water.

The problem is the ammount of processing that needs to be done. If you look at a Windows machine for example. You run Windows, then ontop of that you run a program that is designed to emulate the XBox hardware through software and ontop of that you need to run the XBox OS in wich to run the game.

People have done this. How succesfull/playable have they been? I don't know. It seems really silly when you can pickup a used XBox for about $100.

You guys might be interested in this project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/cxbx/) though.

[kingr2d2]

well thats basicly another thing that i was worried about. i just never gave to much thought to that. but what about the nintendo game cube. you got to remeber that system is like no other.

[psilonaut]

well thats basicly another thing that i was worried about. i just never gave to much thought to that. but what about the nintendo game cube. you got to remeber that system is like no other.

The game cube has less power than the XBox. Only 485 MHz and somthing like 24MB of RAM?

[kingr2d2]

so why the hell is it so hard to make a emulator that will work with that type of system :shocked:

[pizzaman]

so why the hell is it so hard to make a emulator that will work with that type of system :shocked:
Because of all the things that run on the PC. Plus it does take a while to make something work with another machine. It's like they have to start all over from scrach when they make those newer console emus.

[harger]

Hey pizzaman i now have a Nintendo gamecube and XBOX emulator,i got some torrent games for gamecube and i'm going to test it out wants i got the torrent games downloaded

[BlueDragonMan]

Hey how would you get the computer to read gamecube games since the disc is so small? If the gamecube emulator works let me know I want to get it and get Gauntlet Dark Legacy for GC for my mom. *had a PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, Nintendo DS. Each system got stolen from me and now I only got a Xbox I paid $50 for :'(*

[harger]

you can get torrent Gamecube games using google i serced pirate bay thats how i found the games the emulator just goolge it

[Kameo]

Hey how would you get the computer to read gamecube games since the disc is so small? If the gamecube emulator works let me know I want to get it and get Gauntlet Dark Legacy for GC for my mom. *had a PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, Nintendo DS. Each system got stolen from me and now I only got a Xbox I paid $50 for :'(*


How did U end up having every system getting stolen?? Someone broke into Ur house??

[BlueDragonMan]

How did U end up having every system getting stolen?? Someone broke into Ur house??

Well I had my PS2 at a friends house and then he took it to a trailer park where it got stolen. Then the Xbox, Gamecube, Nintendo DS got stolen from my house along with all my games except a few Xbox games. Whoever stole the DS though was retarded because I still got the recharger.

[Spa_da_Pimp]

Just because a site has the emulators doesnt mean they are decent...Why dont u simply try read what is written in emulator-zone for each emu?

And no there arent any decent emulators for xbox and gamecube...All of them are in very early stage and most of them cant run commercial games yet...

[Spa_da_Pimp]

Just because a site has the emulators doesnt mean they are decent...Why dont u simply try read what is written in emulator-zone for each emu?

And no there arent any decent emulators for xbox and gamecube...All of them are in very early stage and most of them cant run commercial games yet...

[Spa_da_Pimp]

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[Spa_da_Pimp]

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