What is the Theory about the Universe's end?

[Doregushin]

What do scientists think the end of the Universe will be? I just want to know, I've never heard any speculation about the subject.

[Iconoclast]

While reading about the theories into how it was created or how it will end I remember reading about a repetitive "oscillating" theory in that the boundaries of what we call the universe (which do exist before what we imagine infinity) will not only shrink into the center that holds the sun but re-expand--possibly with a new 'planetary' system in the process. This merged both the beginning and terminal theories of the universe's formation past-future.

At the very least we should have heard that the Sun will eventually die out in unforseen time (nothing calculated to recent).

[Doregushin]

Thats the theory that our universe pulsates, some don't believe this.

[Iconoclast]

aye that's why it's a theory

[Doregushin]

I was asking about its end.
Most scientists agree the Big Bang is what occured.
If the Universe had a beginning, whats the end?

[Iconoclast]

As you can see I have described two interposing of the other theories, and if they are both theories there is no law to silence them.

In which case you are asking for law. You have not defined a theory.
You may not have seen debate because it is not a field of contradiction--not automatically ruling out multiple probabilities.

[Doregushin]

There is evidence to disprove the Oscillating(sp?) theory, for if the universe was pulsating, the stars would be slowing down, but they're not. In fact, they're going faster.

[Iconoclast]

In either the expansion or contraction phase may the stars slow down?

[Doregushin]

Both, so I hear.

[tatsuya1221]

While reading about the theories into how it was created or how it will end I remember reading about a repetitive "oscillating" theory in that the boundaries of what we call the universe (which do exist before what we imagine infinity) will not only shrink into the center that holds the sun but re-expand--possibly with a new 'planetary' system in the process. This merged both the beginning and terminal theories of the universe's formation past-future.

At the very least we should have heard that the Sun will eventually die out in unforseen time (nothing calculated to recent).
I think the closest guess about the sun is 5000 years from now, but most say around 30 million to 5 billion years from now.
I was asking about its end.
Most scientists agree the Big Bang is what occured.
If the Universe had a beginning, whats the end?

Recreation is what i think, but scientifically it's pretty uniform that what will happen to the universe is eventual heat death, which means eventually all suns and light will dissipate, thus resulting in a endless void of darkness.

[Agent Smith]

While reading about the theories into how it was created or how it will end I remember reading about a repetitive "oscillating" theory in that the boundaries of what we call the universe (which do exist before what we imagine infinity) will not only shrink into the center that holds the sun but re-expand--possibly with a new 'planetary' system in the process. This merged both the beginning and terminal theories of the universe's formation past-future.

At the very least we should have heard that the Sun will eventually die out in unforseen time (nothing calculated to recent).

Okay first off the sun is due to last another 4 to 5 billion years. Hopefully the sun does not speed up it,s consumpion of nuclear fuel.

Second the end of the universe there are two mane theories about this either the universe will stop expanding and begin to contarct in on itself until all matter is compress to single central point. Or the universe will expand so much that all matter in universe will be sterched so thin no new stars or planets will be born and the universe will be quite and dark full of black holes and radation. It is like the saying goes "what has a begining must have a end" in other words this universe will not last forever.

[Grethum]

There are two ways the universe could end. Dark matter and Dark energy. They say that these two forces are conflicting to hold us in place in the universe. Dark matter and dark energy are both in balance at the moment, But they say that dark matter is slowly taking over. If dark matter wipes out dark energy then the universe will drift apart and we would all freeze. Dark energy takes over then we would all collide in one massive explosion of doom!

[Darudeboy]

Though it's very bleak, I throw my hat in for heat death

[SirAllred]

in theory the Universe is ever expanding, never technically ending but getting to a point unsubstainable to life as we know it to co-exist.

Maybe if we put Mariachi Bands on MTV, We would see Scene Kids walking around the Malls in Sombreros? :D

[Aravisian]

Here is a pretty fun read (Or chilling?) of the end of the Universe- If it could be called such.
http://www.universetoday.com/2007/07/25/the-end-of-everything/
Currently, we are still formulating, observing and testing theories; As new information comes available, we may be able to lend a much higher degree of accuracy to these claims.

This theory is in opposition to the pulsating or Big Crunch idea- but it bears a lot of resemblance to what several other posters outlined.

It extends pretty far into the future...

But at this point, I might tip my hat to Grethum, if he's around, to extrapolate on the Dark Matter/ Dark Energy balance he spoke of.

Dark Matter and Dark energy, at the present time, are more hypothesis than they are theory.
You see, the Galaxies as measured weigh a great deal more than they are expected to from observing the visible spectrum. This strongly suggest that there is matter within each galaxy that adds mass but is not currently detectable.
So "Dark Matter" is the "Filler", you might say - to account for that added mass.

It's similar for Dark Energy and from a scientific point of view- Very exciting ground. Because Dark Matter and Dark energy could both turn out to be barking up the wrong tree. Until our observation improves, it's only our best guess.

But letting the imagination wander for a moment- What an amazing thing it would be to find that Dark Matter Hypothesis is incorrect and it was something entirely different that accounts for the mass differential of galaxy/ Galaxy clusters that we observe.
It's a riddle with which I eagerly await new evidence to crop up and supply us with clues.

[!CoNvOy]

you should kow this its the count to a million thread

[Aravisian]

you should kow this its the count to a million thread

Only when I'm at the bank.



eh...

<goes back to daydreaming...>

[Stone Cold]

The world will end with armageddon,
Hell even the whole universe
it's all going up in flames
to make matters even worse

And when the rapture comes a callin and the angels come on down
That music hits the arena, every *** out the seat and foot on the ground
what you hear will be the breakin of glass
and Stone Cold will start stunning them angels' as$!

[kaosdeity]

The world will end with armageddon,
Hell even the whole universe
it's all going up in flames
to make matters even worse

And when the rapture comes a callin and the angels come on down
That music hits the arena, every *** out the seat and foot on the ground
what you hear will be the breakin of glass
and Stone Cold will start stunning them angels' as$!

lol how long did it take you to make that rhyme???

[GameGeeks]

That's a ryme?

[tatsuya1221]

Wanna know how the universe will end?2 words:It won't.

[GameGeeks]

I figured it'd be because of the robot vampire zombie nazies who are also chuck norris in 2012.

[goldenwingedship]

I like that.

@Tatsuya....not GameGeeks XD

Although that sounds interesting as well.

[kaosdeity]

That's a ryme?

Almost, its
a
b
c
b

d
d
e
e

I guess he couldn't think of anything that rhymed with Armageddon XD

[GameGeeks]

DR. Sues rymes.

[fleek]

the universe has 5 predicted stages
birth
current
something involving everything being green(ill look up the name later)
black holes
death

in short black holes will kill the universe

[Stone Cold]

DR. Sues rymes.

You got a problem with ol' Dr. Suess?

[Aravisian]

Wanna know how the universe will end?2 words:It won't.
You say this as if it's proven fact.
Any evidence to support your claim?
the universe has 5 predicted stages
birth
current
something involving everything being green(ill look up the name later)
black holes
death

in short black holes will kill the universe
No.
In short; Black Holes will not kill the Universe.
Black Holes are a product, nothing more. A black Hole has the same gravity field as the star that collapsed into it, as well. They are not cosmic hoovers.

The difference with a Black Hole is that the radius of the surface is now much much closer to the center of mass, allowing (inverse square law) a body of mass to travel that much closer to the center of mass.
So objects will orbit Black Holes in the same manner they do stars. Only they won't get light from them.

[tatsuya1221]

You say this as if it's proven fact.
Any evidence to support your claim?


Here we go again.

Simple, i know how all things will end, and the simple answer is, it never will end, in the end your trying to pick a fight again.

[Aravisian]

Here we go again.

Simple, i know how all things will end, and the simple answer is, it never will end, in the end your trying to pick a fight again.

I am not picking a fight.

I am clarifying something for you.

The only "fact" is that you do not know. I don't know.
No one Knows...

If someone posted in the emulator section of the forum misinformation or misleading information about plugins, emulators or how to operate such- Would you not correct their errors?

How would you react if they accused you of picking a fight?

[GameGeeks]

You haven't been around in a while. Read tat's and gold's conversation.

[Aravisian]

You haven't been around in a while. Read tat's and gold's conversation.

I've only seen one post from Gold in this thread.
If I am missing a joke or something- I apologize...

But the OP refers to Mainstream Scientific Theory on the subject. If I miss a joke, that's understandable. But if someone asserts something that is not mainstream Scientific Theory regarding the question asked- I WILL correct it.

I ignored the rather... strange... postulation that the Sun was going out in 5,000 years... http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/29.gif

[tatsuya1221]

I've only seen one post from Gold in this thread.
If I am missing a joke or something- I apologize...

But the OP refers to Mainstream Scientific Theory on the subject. If I miss a joke, that's understandable. But if someone asserts something that is not mainstream Scientific Theory regarding the question asked- I WILL correct it.

I ignored the rather... strange... postulation that the Sun was going out in 5,000 years... http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/29.gif

Ignorant eh?
Ok now i will say it, BE QUIET, this thread was meant to be a discussion, not a who's penis is bigger argument.

Also what he's referring to is my claim to be a 26,000 + year old immortal, which i will not lie about.

[GameGeeks]

Yes, now I just have to keep it quite that I'm with the illuminati....opps.

[Aravisian]

Ignorant eh?
Ok now i will say it, BE QUIET, this thread was meant to be a discussion, not a who's penis is bigger argument.

Also what he's referring to is my claim to be a 26,000 + year old immortal, which i will not lie about.
Clearly I will be ignorant about humorous jokes made before my time.

However, telling me to "be quiet" defeats the purpose. This thread, as meant to be a discussion should then require informed input. If you tell people who offer informed input to be quiet and then make the claim that they are trying to intellectually compete- all you are doing is trying to silence people you personally disagree with.

Unless you can say that you're only trying to show your penis size when you correct someone about how to use a rom?

[tatsuya1221]

Clearly I will be ignorant about humorous jokes made before my time.

However, telling me to "be quiet" defeats the purpose. This thread, as meant to be a discussion should then require informed input. If you tell people who offer informed input to be quiet and then make the claim that they are trying to intellectually compete- all you are doing is trying to silence people you personally disagree with.

Unless you can say that you're only trying to show your penis size when you correct someone about how to use a rom?

I don't joke on average.

If you actually had an intent to discuss it i'd be fine with it, but your intent is to push your views on others, which is not a discussion, it's an argument.

The penis size thing is basically me saying your trying to be more elite than others, saying "your right and everyone else is wrong", basically this is a basic, pathetic argument, and as i said before, unless your going to discuss instead of try to force your opinion, then be quiet.

[Aravisian]

I don't joke on average.

If you actually had an intent to discuss it i'd be fine with it, but your intent is to push your views on others, which is not a discussion, it's an argument.
It is not my views.
I was discussing it quite clearly. This is not a non falsifiable subject.
Your accusation is about as accurate as if someone here said water is dry and I responded that it's actually wet. For you to interject and claim I am forcing my views on others is ridiculous and absurd.
Views have a place in opinions and such.

It's is not a matter of My Personal Belief of faith that water is wet. That observational evidence describes an accurate model.

Falsifiable evidence is not a "view."

Opinions about non falsifiable things- like Invisible Elves would be a a View.


The penis size thing is basically me saying your trying to be more elite than others, saying "your right and everyone else is wrong", basically this is a basic, pathetic argument, and as i said before, unless your going to discuss instead of try to force your opinion, then be quiet.

I have been discussing it until you attacked me with a lot of accusations and insults.

I countered your claim and asked for evidence. For the fifth time now, you have failed to produce evidence to support your claim and have resorted to using insult and accusation.
Then you try to claim that I am picking a fight?
Check your own behavior first.

I am not forcing my views. I am discussing what the evidence supports in a rational manner. If you cannot, personally, handle that; Then I suggest that you do not respond to my posts and try to cool off before addressing me.
And if I am correct about something and you are incorrect, as a grown man you will have to just learn how to deal with that in the same manner that I must when it happens to me. It's much more productive than your insults and accusations, which are growing very tiresome.


ETA: Tatsuya, your accusations make no sense- but you have repeatedly demonstrated and even stated clearly that you dislike science and scientific methodology. You are attempting to silence me, rather than have to see science spoken about on the board.
That's called censorship.

[tatsuya1221]

It is not my views.
I was discussing it quite clearly. This is not a non falsifiable subject.
Your accusation is about as accurate as if someone here said water is dry and I responded that it's actually wet. For you to interject and claim I am forcing my views on others is ridiculous and absurd.
Views have a place in opinions and such.

It's is not a matter of My Personal Belief of faith that water is wet. That observational evidence describes an accurate model.
You proved my point, you have blind faith in science, and attack anyone else's views on the subject.
ETA: Tatsuya, your accusations make no sense- but you have repeatedly demonstrated and even stated clearly that you dislike science and scientific methodology. You are attempting to silence me, rather than have to see science spoken about on the board.
That's called censorship.
I don't care if you voice an opinion, i do care if you try to force one.

[Aravisian]

You proved my point, you have blind faith in science, and attack anyone else's views on the subject.

I don't care if you voice an opinion, i do care if you try to force one.
Quote my posts and clearly outline where I "Attacked" a possibility that is supported by observational evidence.

Quote my posts and show clearly where I forced readers to accept blind faith in anything that is non falsifiable or not supported by strong evidence.

If I have "proved" your point as you say, you should have no difficulty in showing how I am an angry mean attacking poster that ridicules others and savages viewpoints without evidence to support my claims...
Hmmm... I can think of another poster who is forcing viewpoints, not providing clarity or substantiation for his claims, refuses to provide evidence to support his claims and instead resorts to ad hominem character attacks and accusations... but it's not me.http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

[GameGeeks]

Arav, please don't make tat close this topic. Just drop it.

[tatsuya1221]

Quote my posts and clearly outline where I "Attacked" a possibility that is supported by observational evidence.

Quote my posts and show clearly where I forced readers to accept blind faith in anything that is non falsifiable or not supported by strong evidence.

If I have "proved" your point as you say, you should have no difficulty in showing how I am an angry mean attacking poster that ridicules others and savages viewpoints without evidence to support my claims...
Hmmm... I can think of another poster who is forcing viewpoints, not providing clarity or substantiation for his claims, refuses to provide evidence to support his claims and instead resorts to ad hominem character attacks and accusations... but it's not me.http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

I was discussing it quite clearly. This is not a non falsifiable subject.
Your accusation is about as accurate as if someone here said water is dry and I responded that it's actually wet. For you to interject and claim I am forcing my views on others is ridiculous and absurd.
Views have a place in opinions and such.

there you go.

[Aravisian]

Arav, please don't make tat close this topic. Just drop it.

Why should I?

ANY objective reader can clearly see who the aggressor is here.
Any objective reader can see what I said, EXACTLY, In all of my posts and what he said.
ANY objective reader can clearly see that I forced nothing.
I made no claims I was not able to support with evidence.
I am the one being vigorously attacked here.

[GameGeeks]

I don't care who the agresser is. The point is you keep setting tatsuya up and frankly I'll back tatsuya up any day of the week. I just don't want a flame war.

[Aravisian]

I don't care who the agresser is. The point is you keep setting tatsuya up and frankly I'll back tatsuya up any day of the week. I just don't want a flame war.

I have not set him up in the least.

Tatsuya is a grown man and he is responsible for his own behavior.

Who you back up is irrelevant to me. I am not here to disrupt someones friendship. That is not a relevant issue for the topic.

If you choose to "back up Tatsuya" even when his behavior is bad- that's fine. I can rationally defend myself from his attacks along with yours, too, if you would like to back him up.

I stand accused and attacked by someone that refuses to support his accusations, calls anything he dislikes wrong and continually claims that science is a farce.

The computer he's enjoying the ability to do so demonstrates that scientific properties are not a farce. His claims are misleading at best.

If he cannot control his own behavior when a poster on the forum discusses science in a rational manner- that is his personal problem and I am NOT to be held accountable for it.

[tatsuya1221]

I have not set him up in the least.

Tatsuya is a grown man and he is responsible for his own behavior.

Who you back up is irrelevant to me. I am not here to disrupt someones friendship. That is not a relevant issue for the topic.

If you choose to "back up Tatsuya" even when his behavior is bad- that's fine. I can rationally defend myself from his attacks along with yours, too, if you would like to back him up.

I stand accused and attacked by someone that refuses to support his accusations, calls anything he dislikes wrong and continually claims that science is a farce.

The computer he's enjoying the ability to do so demonstrates that scientific properties are not a farce. His claims are misleading at best.

If he cannot control his own behavior when a poster on the forum discusses science in a rational manner- that is his personal problem and I am NOT to be held accountable for it.

You need to remember what the original foundations of science is, and that is truth, however you still prove one thing, it's not the truth that matters to you, but that your right, either way you leave me no choice, i'm closing this thread.