Cheaters?

[Iconoclast]

I am adding a poll...wait 5 minutes....

[Iconoclast]

I personally do, whether I've already beaten the game on my Nintendo 64 or not. I like the features of cheating; they are one of the advantages you don't get when not playing video games on your PC (unless you have a GameShark or something)! I don't see reason to hesitate about it.

[Elric]

For me the satisfaction of beating a game goes hand in hand with the fun of seeing the plot/story line or stage development (depending on the type of game) unfold. Whats the sense of my playing the game I'm just going to cheat to get through it? I'd feel like I was cheating myself out experiencing the game as it was truly meant to be played.
I look at life the same way. I don't want anybody to give me anything because I'd rather earn it on my own and I'd rather get the satisfaction of achieving my goals ( whatever they may be in any situation ) on my own merits and efforts than to lie, cheat or steal to get them. To live honorably in a field where most people are as cut throat as pirates and STILL be close the top of hill is a great feeling.

[pizzaman]

For me the satisfaction of beating a game goes hand in hand with the fun of seeing the plot/story line or stage development (depending on the type of game) unfold. Whats the sense of my playing the game I'm just going to cheat to get through it? I'd feel like I was cheating myself out experiencing the game as it was truly meant to be played.
I look at life the same way. I don't want anybody to give me anything because I'd rather earn it on my own and I'd rather get the satisfaction of achieving my goals ( whatever they may be in any situation ) on my own merits and efforts than to lie, cheat or steal to get them. To live honorably in a field where most people are as cut throat as pirates and STILL be close the top of hill is a great feeling.
That is what I call a philosopher.

[Iconoclast]

I belive Elric's opinion as well, sort of. If we are not allowed to cheat in the game of life, why should we take the opportunity to cheat at all? It's more glorious to win without cheating. Yet, as I have already done this once with my games, I do not take the opportunity to do it again. I just cheat, but only when emulating!

[chaos master]

I only cheat for fun and dont change my save with it. An example of this is going on a cheat fueled rampage in GTA. Great fun, and when you're done, you can load the last save and continue without cheating. If we never cheat, we are, in fact, cheating ourselves out of many opportunities, opportunities we paid for when we bought the game. If you play the game fair first and then cheat, you are going to experience all of the experiences possible. Honor is great, wonderful, and stupendous, but we must indulge ourselves to get the most out of life.


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Elric, how are you close to top of the hill?

Cheating may be just as hard as playing fair, because the extra work it is to be undetected and stuff while cheating may detract from the efforts put forward to do the initial task. Just saying. Not that I cheat.

[chaos master]

Also, if someone has ever said to you, "Cheaters never prosper," they are probably lying because there are probably many cheaters out there living the good life. Again, I IZ NO CHEATERSSSX

[pizzaman]

I once cheated on "The Sims" and after a couple of hours playing it with cheats I got bored. I haven't played that game for about a year now, just because of that cheat. If didn't cheat I probably still wouldn't have been playing it right now, but I would have played it for longer then I did. Cheating makes the game boring because when you cheat, you get everything right away. And if you get everything then there is no point to the game.

[chaos master]

I once cheated on "The Sims" and after a couple of hours playing it with cheats I got bored. I haven't played that game for about a year now, just because of that cheat. If didn't cheat I probably still wouldn't have been playing it right now, but I would have played it for longer then I did. Cheating makes the game boring because when you cheat, you get everything right away. And if you get everything then there is no point to the game.

Yes, I agree, DO NOT CHEAT AT THE SIMS!

Sims 2, I don't know yet...prolly not. I have the game but never cheated. (It takes forever to play tho)

[chaos master]

OHHH! I remember that cheating at The Sims can still be fun. When I want to make a theme house, I just put in rosebud massive amounts of times and then build a theme family with the money.

Some of my creations:

8 people in a really small house with no exit

1 rich man in a massive floating mansion (floating 2nd floor glitch)

a fast food restaurant with an employee lounge for sleeping in (family had a frycook [cooking on grill], a janitor [cleaning and repairing], a manager [bills and stuff] and cashier [basically nothing...] it worked out quite nicely)

a mall (by FAR the largest house i made; 1st floor: electronics store, bed store, kitchen appliance store, furniture store, bathrooms, fine art store. 2nd floor: completely employees only; robot janitor room, bathrooms, offices [desk with computer], and the boss's room, complete with expensive computer and desk, 2 fireplaces, lots of space, expensive rugs, and a chair with a great view of the neighborhood [really cool room]

a drunkard party family running around on the lawn and getting wasted


as you can see, many good things can come from cheating as well...

[pizzaman]

Yes that is true, but not always. If you cheat when you have no interest in the game, or you are bored if it, then that can be fun. But NEVER cheat while you are going through the game or else you will ruin it.

[Elric]

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Elric, how are you close to top of the hill?

I speaking about my vocation and my status among my peers.

[dtfreak05]

i loved cheating in goldeneye, haha. who could resist running through the levels with every weapon in the game?

[Iconoclast]

Well, why not cast your vote, then?

And I PMed you about the avatar you wanted.

[dtfreak05]

done! how did you know i hadn't already lol? i used to cheat all the time, but dont as much anymore. and i sent you a link to a pic of Sephiroth

[Iceman]

Hmmmm, cheating?
Well to me it means "option". To some people it doesn't ruin the experience, they just want to play the game freely with no certain task at hand. Alot of other people think it's just something fun to do when you beat the game or when friends come over to play. Cheating also depends on the creators opinons and some certaing types of genre, example-Final Fantasy VII
Square Enix wouldn't allow it because it's just a type of game where you need to explore the world and the storyline to really enjoy the game.
Games like Zelda and Halo have certain types of cheats you really have to find and explore to unlock or see them and some type of games need you to do a certain task to unlock a cheat(ex.goldeneye).
So it's hard to say if I cheat or not, if it's an option then I usually wait to digest the games storyline.

[dtfreak05]

i will only cheat to advance in the game if i am really stuck, then once i do that i try my hardest to go back and beat the part without cheating

[pizzaman]

i will only cheat to advance in the game if i am really stuck, then once i do that i try my hardest to go back and beat the part without cheating
Lol, not me, I just get frustrated and quit! Then after a couple of weeks I will try agian.

[dtfreak05]

well, i get frustrated and cheat :D anyway, i had to cheat to beat the final bosses in final fantasy VII and VIII, but ive beaten them both so many times since without cheating that its like i never cheated at all lol

[pizzaman]

well, i get frustrated and cheat :D anyway, i had to cheat to beat the final bosses in final fantasy VII and VIII, but ive beaten them both so many times since without cheating that its like i never cheated at all lol
The first time I played FFX I couldn't beat the final boss, and I stopped playing for quite a bit. Then I went back and "trained" my guy for about 50 hours( not straight hours ) and beat the final boss easily.

[fiReBirD]

The first time I played FFX I couldn't beat the final boss, and I stopped playing for quite a bit. Then I went back and "trained" my guy for about 50 hours( not straight hours ) and beat the final boss easily.

I had the same problem in FFV i started all over and trained ALL jobs as soon as i got them...

[Elric]

Here's a different slant to the question. How many of you consider using a Guide/Walk through as cheating?

[Iconoclast]

Here's a different slant to the question. How many of you consider using a Guide/Walk through as cheating?

Well, that's another story. I guess there are simply different kinds of cheating. Techincally, I guess it is cheating. But the reason I started this thread in the PG Gaming/Emulation forum is not because I'm the moderator of the forum, but because I was thinking more along the lines of GameShark cheats. But yes, perhaps I should move this forum since that can be cheating. I wish I could edit the damn poll! I won't move this thread until someone agrees with it.

[pizzaman]

Here's a different slant to the question. How many of you consider using a Guide/Walk through as cheating?
I don't I mean if you don't know what to do, getting a guide isn't cheating. I don't use Walk throughs that much, but I do on some games, like FFX-2 ( since you have to beat it 100% to get the extra ending ).

[Fierce Deity]

I only cheat on the game in the conventional sense if I already beat it without cheats once. Then the cheats make it like a bonus. I don't cheat as much on the newer systems because the hexadecimal is encrypted and i don't know how to encrypt or unencrypt the numbers.:(

As for walkthroughs, if I am like super stuck and can't find out how to do something, I may resort to a walktrhough. First i stop playing and go back later. That usually helps. And to the degree of cheating, it depends if the game is like a puzzle game or a doing game. What I mean is, is it hard to figure out and easy to do, or is it easy to figure out what to do, but doing it is the hard part. So puzzle games its definately cheating if u use a walkthrough. But it's "acceptable cheating" so to speak. But you should only use them for parts ur stuck on, not entire games.

[DarthBrady]

Iconoclast is right. You just dont get that glorious feeling after you beat a game with cheating; as compared to beating it with nothing but your own true skill.

But on the other hand, cheating is pretty effing' sweet to have around when you do like i did this morning and accidentally delete your original Conker's Bad fur Day Game save that was 100% complete from like years ago, and you need to make up all that lost progress fast!:devil:

[pizzaman]

Iconoclast is right. You just dont get that glorious feeling after you beat a game with cheating; as compared to beating it with nothing but your own true skill.

But on the other hand, cheating is pretty effing' sweet to have around when you do like i did this morning and accidentally delete your original Conker's Bad fur Day Game save that was 100% complete from like years ago, and you need to make up all that lost progress fast!:devil:
That happened to me so much! Only it was on the original N64. My brother deleted my Donkey Kong 64, Super Mario 64, and some other less important games files. I DO NOT want to go through the whole game agian when I had only a couple of percents left.

[Sonic]

Never. It just spoils the game. I would rather learn the hard way to get the hang of the storyline.

[Amiro22]

I think cheating ruins the game, Unless you do it on the side in San Andreas just to have some extra fun, but not to alter your progress.

[Fierce Deity]

Yes, cheating in Grand Theft Auto is different. The codes are there. Maybe you had a gun. The power goes out. You want your Rotary Cannon back! maybe you just enter some cheats. *coughFlyingCarscough* Go to southern Las Venturas into Tierra Robada. Land next to a house. Go inside, get your gun and kill yourself so you back in Los Santos. Also, you have to be Katie's boyfriend or you won't keep your weapons when you die. I think I may play that right now, just because I feel like it now....

[harger]

i nerver cheat untill i beat the game to find other secrets that i missed

[Crazed Dragon]

hmm i do cheat but i have my reasons

1 if i am complately stuck or lost and have gotten ****ed off
2 i have beaten the game and i want to see what else i can do
3 bored as hell and want to have fun ie cheating on 007 golden eye
4 to return my intest in a game i got bored of

note; i count walkthroughts as cheating and stuff like that

[pizzaman]

The only thing that I actually "cheat" on would be walktroughs. Although I just look at them if I get stuck. I usually buy/download them after I beat the the game, so I can uncover the secrets. FFX has a bunch of secrets that you can uncover.

[chaos master]

The only thing that I actually "cheat" on would be walktroughs. Although I just look at them if I get stuck. I usually buy/download them after I beat the the game, so I can uncover the secrets. FFX has a bunch of secrets that you can uncover.
I actually buy player's guides for games that I do not need help on (and sometimes, I wonder how anyone could need help on). I just like to have it as something to read.

[pizzaman]

I actually buy player's guides for games that I do not need help on (and sometimes, I wonder how anyone could need help on). I just like to have it as something to read.
:skep: You must be kidding me. :skep:

Well if you enjoy reading, then I guess that could be something to do, but I hate going through those things. It takes forever to find what I need!

[Iconoclast]

...I am surprised at how I have started such a successful poll....

[pizzaman]

...I am surprised at how I have started such a successful poll....
Yes... and I'm winning! At least so far.

[Crazed Dragon]

...I am surprised at how I have started such a successful poll....DAMN!!! why can't mine ever get over ten votes? they're good threads...most of them :p

[chaos master]

:skep: You must be kidding me. :skep:

Well if you enjoy reading, then I guess that could be something to do, but I hate going through those things. It takes forever to find what I need!
Not for me, I use the table of contents. I like to see the pictures (very pretty pictures, indeed!) and read about the little tidbits and secrets about the game.

Some player's guides are totally unecessary. I have one for Sonic Advance 2. Who needs help on Sonic Advance 2??? Maybe gaming skill help, but nothing a guide could help you too much with. It's pretty hard to get lost in that game, and 99% of the walkthrough is obvious, like "jump off the ledge and go left" or "jump across the floating platforms." Those things are obvious. It's hardly cheating. Although, the guide does have some helpful stuff, like special ring locations and whatnot.

[pizzaman]

Not for me, I use the table of contents. I like to see the pictures (very pretty pictures, indeed!) and read about the little tidbits and secrets about the game.

Some player's guides are totally unecessary. I have one for Sonic Advance 2. Who needs help on Sonic Advance 2??? Maybe gaming skill help, but nothing a guide could help you too much with. It's pretty hard to get lost in that game, and 99% of the walkthrough is obvious, like "jump off the ledge and go left" or "jump across the floating platforms." Those things are obvious. It's hardly cheating. Although, the guide does have some helpful stuff, like special ring locations and whatnot.
It's not cheating IMO.

[chaos master]

...I am surprised at how I have started such a successful poll....
It's one of the most successful, right up there with the meat poll.

[Kurt]

Not for me, I use the table of contents. I like to see the pictures (very pretty pictures, indeed!) and read about the little tidbits and secrets about the game.

Some player's guides are totally unecessary. I have one for Sonic Advance 2. Who needs help on Sonic Advance 2??? Maybe gaming skill help, but nothing a guide could help you too much with. It's pretty hard to get lost in that game, and 99% of the walkthrough is obvious, like "jump off the ledge and go left" or "jump across the floating platforms." Those things are obvious. It's hardly cheating. Although, the guide does have some helpful stuff, like special ring locations and whatnot.Players guides for linear action games are, for the most part, useless.


I wouldn't mind a good one for World Of Warcraft, though. ;)

[nu_jersey_devil]

I usually only cheat when i have already beat the game